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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Humza Yousaf says trans rapist Isla Bryson should have right to self-identify as female

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IwantToRetire · 01/03/2023 00:25

The favourite to replace Nicola Sturgeon has said Isla Bryson should have the right to self-identify as female despite arguing that the transgender rapist is "at it".

Humza Yousaf argued that it would be unfair to oppose Ms Sturgeon's self-ID gender laws "because of one despicable individual" whom he said had tried to "manipulate" Scotland's prison system.

Although the laws have been blocked by the UK Government and have never been implemented, he argued this would be akin to "rolling back" transgender rights.

Mr Yousaf argued the current system, under which people must get a medical diagnosis of gender dysphoria, should be abolished as "99.9 per cent of trans men and women do not commit crime."

Pressed if the double rapist should be allowed to self-ID as female, he said: "Isla Bryson is, of course, a horrible, despicable individual but of course the law applies to people, everybody, without fear and without favour."

uk.news.yahoo.com/humza-yousaf-says-trans-rapist-202007031.html

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AlisonDonut · 01/03/2023 07:21

JustWaking · 01/03/2023 06:02

99.9 per cent of trans men and women do not commit crime

There are 2,567,400 men in Scotland, and 2,728,000 women.

According to Google, the most commonly used estimate of number of trans people is 0.5% of the population,so approximately 12,837 transwomen and 13640 transmen.

Including prisoners on remand (who may not have committed crimes), there are 7 367 people are in prison in Scotland just now, of which 290 are female.

www.prisonstudies.org/country/united-kingdom-scotland

According to the latest Scottish Prison Service (SPS) statistics, there were 12 trans women and three trans men prisoners between October and December 2022

So, currently in prison in Scotland (as a percentage of the population):
0.29% of men
0.1% of transwomen
0.02% of transmen
0.01% of women

So he's not that far off. But it's basically meaningless. 99.7% of men don't commit crime. We still need sex-segregated prisons to protect women from sexual exploitation, as Elizabeth Fry argued successfully into law 200 years ago.

The number he isn't saying - the honest number, to understand the impact on women - is that 4% (12 out of 290) of the people in women's prisons in Scotland are transwomen. 1 in 25.

Your sentence should be 99.7% of men aren't currently incarcerated for crime. As not all crimes are:
a - reported
b - followed up or investigated
c - result in incarceration.

Badbudgeter · 01/03/2023 07:22

Misogynistic arsehole was my first thought. I haven’t really managed to move on from it yet.

Datun · 01/03/2023 07:23

Mr Yousaf argued the current system, under which people must get a medical diagnosis of gender dysphoria, should be abolished as "99.9 per cent of trans men and women do not commit crime.

But according to the GRR, there is no criteria for being 'trans'. That's the whole point of self ID. Campaigning madly for eliminating the criteria then invoking the same criteria to push it through?

It's incoherent jibber jabber.

And abolishing the criteria will mean that '100%' of all crime committing predators can identify as 'trans'.

On the one hand he's saying hardly any trans people commit crime in order to implement a law allowing all criminals to become trans people.

Why cant they hear themselves?

nilsmousehammer · 01/03/2023 07:25

it's about creating opportunities for men to commit crime and then play the system by being able to claim some nebulous identity. Which is exactly what happened here

And about creating a system where some men get to be in amongst women getting undressed and in places/at times where men aren't usually allowed to go, telling women their consent doesn't matter and the men have every right to make use of them and they aren't allowed to refuse (or they won't have access to the space/service) - and then getting all surprised when other men go "wow, I'll have a bit of that!"

Vebrithien · 01/03/2023 07:28

Badbudgeter · 01/03/2023 07:22

Misogynistic arsehole was my first thought. I haven’t really managed to move on from it yet.

😂

Yep. Yep. I'm with you!

midgemadgemodge · 01/03/2023 07:33

Can he back that claim that 99.9% of transpeople do not commit crime?

( 99.84 is the percentage of people
Not currently in jail < 99.9 and it's not hard to believe that sone criminal have a jail free conviction and many have left jail )

Could he explain why it's a lower rate than the general population ?

Or is he making it up ?

IkBenDeMol · 01/03/2023 07:35

Toseland · 01/03/2023 00:29

Honestly, who is paying all these people to say such rubbish?

We are. Everyone who pays tax in Scotland.

No wonder he's commonly referred to as Humza Useless.

JacquelinePot · 01/03/2023 07:41

I said it on another thread and I think I'm going to be saying it a lot: the "it's only one man, stop blowing it out of proportion" argument is bullshit and HY and all his followers can gtf with that.

One man in women's spaces makes those spaces mixed sex, and impacts all the women.

One man in a women's prison impacts the dozens or hundreds who are locked up with him.

One man in a women's refuge impacts all the women in the refuge, and those who self-exclude as a result.

One man at rape crisis impacts all the women who use the service, and those who self-exclude as a result.

One man in a women's hospital ward impacts all the female patients lying next to him.

One man in a women's toilet or changing room impacts all the women in there, and those who self-exclude as a result.

GTF with that "it's only one man" shit.

AlisonDonut · 01/03/2023 07:42

If being 'trans' doesn't need a medical diagnosis then why is the NHS paying for medical interventions for people who are 'trans'? What are the waiting lists for?

If it doedn't need a medical diagnosis then can we just fund people to say 'there there pet, your hair/clothes are just fine' and move them off these waiting lists?

If it is a lifestyle choice, why should lifestyle choices change the policy of prisons as to where to place prisoners?

It is either medical and needs a diagnosis or it isn't.

Motorina · 01/03/2023 07:45

A quarter of the population (and a third of men) have a criminal record.

source: www.personnelchecks.co.uk/latest-news/criminal-record-checks-increasing?format=amp

I can’t imagine trans people are uniquely non-offending. So let’s do some basic checks to ensure everyone is safe.

piedbeauty · 01/03/2023 07:45

What a stunning lack of critical thinking!

twitterexile · 01/03/2023 07:55

Another women hating prick lining up to lead the SNP.

NotHavingIt · 01/03/2023 08:01

midgemadgemodge · 01/03/2023 07:33

Can he back that claim that 99.9% of transpeople do not commit crime?

( 99.84 is the percentage of people
Not currently in jail < 99.9 and it's not hard to believe that sone criminal have a jail free conviction and many have left jail )

Could he explain why it's a lower rate than the general population ?

Or is he making it up ?

Has the case of the Borders butcher who abducted and raped an 11 year old girl not made the news in Scotland?

NotHavingIt · 01/03/2023 08:02

You cannot "roll back" on rights that you don't have.

Rightsraptor · 01/03/2023 08:07

The Spectator has been most informative about Humza's failures. And there are quite a few.

A pp is right of course. We cannot stop people identifying however they want. However, the rest of us shouldn't have to go along with it and our institutions should not be encouraging or condoning it.

MichelleScarn · 01/03/2023 08:09

NotHavingIt · 01/03/2023 08:01

Has the case of the Borders butcher who abducted and raped an 11 year old girl not made the news in Scotland?

Yeah, but, but but... reasons remember....

MichelleScarn · 01/03/2023 08:12

Oh and was Andrew Miller (Gala butcher) not somehow allowed access to nail polish in jail? Apparently nails changed from pink to red in photos... while women arrested haven't been allowed access to sanitary items? Sacred caste indeed.

RufustheSpeculatingreindeer · 01/03/2023 08:24

BordoisAgain · 01/03/2023 07:14

Why are these people so fucking thick?

It's not about whether a transwoman has a greater propensity for being a criminal.

it's about creating opportunities for men to commit crime and then play the system by being able to claim some nebulous identity. Which is exactly what happened here

Absolutely

JustWaking · 01/03/2023 08:34

Apologies for conflating percentage of people currently in prison with percentage who commit crimes! You are absolutely right!

I suspect given that the numbers match - 0.1% of Transwomen currently in prison - that's where he got the number from. But you are absolutely right that it isn't the same as the number of people who commit crime. I'm quite shocked that 1 in 3 men have a criminal record!!!

I still maintain that the relevant number when considering the impact on women is what percentage of inmates in women's prisons are transwomen. Because that gives an indication of how many women are incarcerated with transwomen.

1 in 25 inmates of women's prisons are transwomen. I don't know how prisons are structured, and how many other inmates you tend to share living space with. But if prisoners routinely mix with at least 25 people, then that means that most female inmates will be sharing space with a transwoman. And so this policy affects pretty much all women in prison.

NotHavingIt · 01/03/2023 08:41

MichelleScarn · 01/03/2023 08:09

Yeah, but, but but... reasons remember....

Someone needs to confront him with that information in a very public way. It really didn't get much reporting at all.

midgemadgemodge · 01/03/2023 08:42

Would the record include speeding offences and the like ? A teenage late night brawl , caustions and well as convictions?

BordoisAgain · 01/03/2023 09:01

I mean, it's not as if men with ill intent would ever take advantage of laws or systems in place that would allow them to continue with their deeds...

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64624921

RoyalCorgi · 01/03/2023 09:07

I suspect given that the numbers match - 0.1% of Transwomen currently in prison - that's where he got the number from.

I think he made it up, actually. It's nonsense, anyway. Remember that when the census figures were published recently, showing the number of people who identified as trans, it was possible to combine them with the MoJ figures to show that at the current time, one in 580 (I think - someone needs to check) trans women were in prison. So that's nearly 2% of trans women in prison at a single point in time. Now, obviously that is because a number of male convicts discover their true female identity after they've been sentenced, but obviously if you have a system of self-ID, that true female identity has to be accepted as genuine.

CharmedUndead · 01/03/2023 09:17

Look at him, standing up for rapists' rights. That's gotta be a vote winner. Good on 'im. 🤔

FlytingMachar · 01/03/2023 09:27

Name change and some lyrics - thought I might just add it here

‘Not a Believer’

I thought trans meant suffering dysphoria
You feel like someone else and not like you
Living with discomfort
That’s the way it seemed
Until I heard of ‘Isla’ and ‘her peen’

Then I saw his face – Im not a believer
Not a trace of doubt in my mind
Hes a MAN
Im not a believer, I wont use she/her, I wont lie

I thought acceptance was the right and giving thing
Seems the more we gave the more they took
What's the use in lyin’
What can we gain?
If we respect a rapist, not his victims pain?

Then I saw his face, now I'm a believer
Not a trace of doubt in my mind
Hes a MAN

I'm not a believer, I wont use she/her, I wont lie

Oh
Oh, it was just some pronouns
Now, its to extremes
Destroying safety, language and womens dreams

Then I saw his face, I'm not a believer
Not a trace of doubt in my mind
Hes a MAN
I wont behave, I couldn't believe if I tried
Yes, I saw his face, I'm not a believer
Not a trace of doubt in my mind
Said, Not a believer, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah (Not a believer)
Said, I won’t use she/her (Not a believer)
I said, Not a believer, yeah (Not a believer)

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