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Humza Yousaf says trans rapist Isla Bryson should have right to self-identify as female

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IwantToRetire · 01/03/2023 00:25

The favourite to replace Nicola Sturgeon has said Isla Bryson should have the right to self-identify as female despite arguing that the transgender rapist is "at it".

Humza Yousaf argued that it would be unfair to oppose Ms Sturgeon's self-ID gender laws "because of one despicable individual" whom he said had tried to "manipulate" Scotland's prison system.

Although the laws have been blocked by the UK Government and have never been implemented, he argued this would be akin to "rolling back" transgender rights.

Mr Yousaf argued the current system, under which people must get a medical diagnosis of gender dysphoria, should be abolished as "99.9 per cent of trans men and women do not commit crime."

Pressed if the double rapist should be allowed to self-ID as female, he said: "Isla Bryson is, of course, a horrible, despicable individual but of course the law applies to people, everybody, without fear and without favour."

uk.news.yahoo.com/humza-yousaf-says-trans-rapist-202007031.html

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Vebrithien · 01/03/2023 09:29

FlytingMachar · 01/03/2023 09:27

Name change and some lyrics - thought I might just add it here

‘Not a Believer’

I thought trans meant suffering dysphoria
You feel like someone else and not like you
Living with discomfort
That’s the way it seemed
Until I heard of ‘Isla’ and ‘her peen’

Then I saw his face – Im not a believer
Not a trace of doubt in my mind
Hes a MAN
Im not a believer, I wont use she/her, I wont lie

I thought acceptance was the right and giving thing
Seems the more we gave the more they took
What's the use in lyin’
What can we gain?
If we respect a rapist, not his victims pain?

Then I saw his face, now I'm a believer
Not a trace of doubt in my mind
Hes a MAN

I'm not a believer, I wont use she/her, I wont lie

Oh
Oh, it was just some pronouns
Now, its to extremes
Destroying safety, language and womens dreams

Then I saw his face, I'm not a believer
Not a trace of doubt in my mind
Hes a MAN
I wont behave, I couldn't believe if I tried
Yes, I saw his face, I'm not a believer
Not a trace of doubt in my mind
Said, Not a believer, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah (Not a believer)
Said, I won’t use she/her (Not a believer)
I said, Not a believer, yeah (Not a believer)

Fucking spectacular!

BemusedDad · 01/03/2023 09:29

Dunning-Kruger effect.

SinnerBoy · 01/03/2023 09:32

So, does the 0.1% of transw are criminals statistic come directly fro The Ministry of Things Fished Out of The Toilet.

JanesLittleGirl · 01/03/2023 09:42

It is a well-known fact that 79.4% of all statistics are actually made up.

54isanopendoor · 01/03/2023 09:43

Precipice · 01/03/2023 00:36

"Mr Yousaf argued the current system, under which people must get a medical diagnosis of gender dysphoria, should be abolished as "99.9 per cent of trans men and women do not commit crime."" Well, maybe most of them don't (the 0.1% is extremely dubious - it's certainly not so low as that for males in general), but it doesn't follow that it's appropriate to allow them to change their legal sex.

In one way only, he's right and that's the quote you've pulled for the title: we can't stop anyone from 'identifying' however they want to. We don't have to pretend that that means anything. If the criminal we're talking about wants to identify as a woman, or a frog or as Napoleon, that's his 'right', although we may draw conclusions from that as to his mental state. It doesn't mean we should put him into the women's cells, into a pond, or imprison him on St. Helena instead.

I can only applaud your post @Precipice

TheBiologyStupid · 01/03/2023 09:51

Vebrithien · 01/03/2023 09:29

Fucking spectacular!

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+1. Very good!

TheBiologyStupid · 01/03/2023 09:53

JanesLittleGirl · 01/03/2023 09:42

It is a well-known fact that 79.4% of all statistics are actually made up.

As the saying goes, "A politician uses statistics like a drunk uses a lamppost - more for support than for illumination".

54isanopendoor · 01/03/2023 09:57

I agree - it's not One Bad Apple at all.

Locally to me is a case which is ongoing so I shall be very careful what I say.
If MNHQ feel that I have been too identifying please remove my post rather than the thread as this is such an important discussion.

The person involved (who has been formally charged with abduction & a range of child sex offences) is a man who is vociferously 'self identifying' as a woman.

I was pleased to see that the Reporters & Police involved described the person that way - ie accurately. This is all very recent - post the Isla Bryson issue & around the time that NS resigned. I hope that Yousaf doesn't adopt this case as a rallying call for 'Trans rights'. This man has a local reputation for 'dressing up in womens clothes'. As is his right. Abduction & CSA is not 'his right' & I don't want sentencing to be about that rather than the very serious crime committed. As a woman, with a daughter, & as a survivor of CSA myself I have a 'treble' interest.

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 01/03/2023 10:05

@FlytingMachar That is fantastic!

Real facepalm moment with Hamza Yousaf. Raises the obvious question - how many "despicable individuals" who self identify as female would it take for him to decide self id was an unacceptable policy?

Oh, we know the obvious answer to that too - for all n, the answer is n+1.

ArabellaScott · 01/03/2023 10:06

FlytingMachar · 01/03/2023 09:27

Name change and some lyrics - thought I might just add it here

‘Not a Believer’

I thought trans meant suffering dysphoria
You feel like someone else and not like you
Living with discomfort
That’s the way it seemed
Until I heard of ‘Isla’ and ‘her peen’

Then I saw his face – Im not a believer
Not a trace of doubt in my mind
Hes a MAN
Im not a believer, I wont use she/her, I wont lie

I thought acceptance was the right and giving thing
Seems the more we gave the more they took
What's the use in lyin’
What can we gain?
If we respect a rapist, not his victims pain?

Then I saw his face, now I'm a believer
Not a trace of doubt in my mind
Hes a MAN

I'm not a believer, I wont use she/her, I wont lie

Oh
Oh, it was just some pronouns
Now, its to extremes
Destroying safety, language and womens dreams

Then I saw his face, I'm not a believer
Not a trace of doubt in my mind
Hes a MAN
I wont behave, I couldn't believe if I tried
Yes, I saw his face, I'm not a believer
Not a trace of doubt in my mind
Said, Not a believer, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah (Not a believer)
Said, I won’t use she/her (Not a believer)
I said, Not a believer, yeah (Not a believer)

❤

ArabellaScott · 01/03/2023 10:07

"99.9 per cent of trans men and women do not commit crime."

Has he just pulled this statistic out of his arse, or does he have a source for it?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/03/2023 10:10

It sounds arse pulled. Is it based on Scotland? Do you know if there are any Scotland based trans population figures?

dimorphism · 01/03/2023 10:19

I mean the vast majority of the population don't commit serious crimes. Does that mean we should just let it be a free for all and not bother with any measures to try and prevent it or put safeguarding in place for people at risk of that particular crime (e.g sex segregation in prisons)?

Badbudgeter · 01/03/2023 10:23

Did anyone else notice where he said that Bryson will hopefully be incarcerated in the male estate. Like he’s not a part of the government that makes the rules,

How about a law saying all biological males are to be incarcerated in the male estate. In special wings/ units if necessary. Won’t effect your 99.9% of law abiding trans folk. Or is it just that female prisoners don’t matter?

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 01/03/2023 10:26

99.99 % of the general population don’t commit crimes so let’s save some cash by disbanding the police

…hang on a minute

what a doofus

BloodyHellKen · 01/03/2023 10:26

MarshaMelrose · 01/03/2023 00:37

Is this why the SNP want them to do their leadership hustings behind closed doors? Because they don't want the public to hear how inept they are?

I was reading about this the other day. Surely it has to be against some sort of constitutional law to do hustings in private away from voters eye as it were?

It just reeks of all sorts of dodgy and I'd be very unhappy about an English political party doing the same.

midgemadgemodge · 01/03/2023 10:29

Arse I suspect

Because otherwise they could probably win over 99% of the female population to the view that self id is ok as it leads to a much lower rate of criminality and so transition should be pushed at all opportunity

LK1972 · 01/03/2023 10:30

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I hope not! Nobody deserves to be raped, it's not something I'd wish for another human being, however horrible, sorry. I hope he's kept in an accommodation for vulnerable prisoners, although I think the sentence is too short at 8 years - he'll be out in 4 if he manages to behave himself, and for 2 rapes it's a bloody joke.

Transparent2 · 01/03/2023 10:44

RoyalCorgi · 01/03/2023 09:07

I suspect given that the numbers match - 0.1% of Transwomen currently in prison - that's where he got the number from.

I think he made it up, actually. It's nonsense, anyway. Remember that when the census figures were published recently, showing the number of people who identified as trans, it was possible to combine them with the MoJ figures to show that at the current time, one in 580 (I think - someone needs to check) trans women were in prison. So that's nearly 2% of trans women in prison at a single point in time. Now, obviously that is because a number of male convicts discover their true female identity after they've been sentenced, but obviously if you have a system of self-ID, that true female identity has to be accepted as genuine.

1 in 580 is approx 0.2%, not 2%. But the rest of your post is correct.

terryleather · 01/03/2023 10:53

Humza's as thick as shite in the neck of a bottle.

Welcome to Scotland 2023

medianewbie · 01/03/2023 10:54

BloodyHellKen · 01/03/2023 10:26

I was reading about this the other day. Surely it has to be against some sort of constitutional law to do hustings in private away from voters eye as it were?

It just reeks of all sorts of dodgy and I'd be very unhappy about an English political party doing the same.

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Re 'REEKS of dodgy'
Yup. UNLIKE 'Trans dress up'
If it walks like a dodgy duck, in this case the Private Hustings actually are a dodgy duck.
I think we could be in even deeper trouble with Humza than we were with NS actually - really worrying 😟

RoyalCorgi · 01/03/2023 10:59

1 in 580 is approx 0.2%, not 2%. But the rest of your post is correct.

Aaargh, you're right! Major maths fail.

I seem to remember that the rate was something like four or five times higher than the proportion of men (the non-trans variety) in jail.

TeamadIshbel · 01/03/2023 11:00

I don't understand what rights 'trans' people currently lack.

SinnerBoy · 01/03/2023 11:02

The right to stamp into the ladies and wave their cocks about? I mean, quite a number of them seem to be doing that already, so perhaps they're simply getting ahead of the law?

lifeturnsonadime · 01/03/2023 11:09

The fact that the SNP has the hustings behind closed doors is a stitch up.

They want Humza to be the next leader but don't want him to be too closely scrutinised because he's a proven liar and can't stand up to scrutiny.

The other 2 runner have both said that the hustings should be lived streamed but no the SNP need (Humza) to have a safe space.

On another thread in AIBU we have people trying to convince that Kate Forbes is a bad choice because she's homophobic due to her religious beliefs, she is against gay marriage because of her religion but has stated she would not change the current law, whilst ignoring the massive homophobia which comes with the Gender Bill supported by HY and the fact that he lied about his failure to attend the final vote on gay marriage.

What does surprise me is that the SNP, if it's ultimate aim is independence, is still backing the Gender Bill. You'd have thought they'd have quietly let that one slip, but no it seems the SNP are true believers (misogynists).