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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Pupil made to leave class by drag queen for disagreeing with notion there are 73 genders

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ResisterRex · 27/02/2023 17:27

Just when you think you've seen it all. Apparently the Department for Education has been contacted for comment:

Drag queen ‘teaches 11-year-olds about anal sex and tells them there are 73 genders’

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/02/27/drag-queen-teaches-11-year-olds-anal-sex-tells-73-genders/

"Sex education has been suspended in Isle of Man schools after a drag queen allegedly told 11-year-olds that there are 73 genders.
The Isle of Man government has launched an independent review of its personal, social, health and economic (PSHE) curriculum after parents raised the alarmm_ about the “graphic, disproportionate, indecent presentation” of sexual acts and different gender identities understood to have been taught in lessons.
Parents of pupils at Queen Elizabeth II High School in Peel, on the Isle of Man, have reported that Year 7 pupils were taught by a drag queenn_ who told them there are 73 genders.
When one “upset” child responded and said “there’s only two”, the drag queen allegedly responded “you’ve upset me” and made the pupil leave the class.
Some 11-year-olds at the school were taught about oral and anal sex, while another group learned about sex change operations and were shown how skin graft taken from a girl’s arm could be used on an artificial penis, according to reports.
“A lot of children are just too traumatised to even talk to their parents," Eliza Cox, vice-chairman of Marown Commissioners, told Energy FM Isle of Man. “As a parent, you don’t know what children are being taught.”
She said that one teacher on the island had told her she had to teach a group of boys and girls in Years 7 and 8 how to masturbate. Another teacher was said to be so uncomfortable with the content of the PSHE curriculum that they told pupils: “Please don’t listen to me” while they taught the lesson."

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birchtreeglow · 28/02/2023 12:42

@ResisterRex @EpicChaos @Grammarnut Thanks for the welcome. I'll remember the cheese. I should have gone with a name like Gorgonzilla!

It's all so duplicitous and downright sinister.

NotHavingIt · 28/02/2023 12:43

oldwhyno · 28/02/2023 11:12

There are loads of them on one of my favourite websites for comedy www.lgbtqia.wiki/wiki/Category:Gender

They're not discovered, they're invented, and only people with too much time on their hands would try to classify them.

I actually think some of them have sligtly more disturbing implications. The WPATH documents on eunuch identity, mentioned above, when researched further, leads you to a site for people interested in eunuchs, and includes lengthy fantasy stories about young boys subject to castration.

Rose424 · 28/02/2023 12:46

yourhairiswinterfire · 27/02/2023 17:49

Sex education should be a serious subject, why the fuck are they getting a clown performing a piss-poor parody of a woman in to teach it?

Because of inherent misogyny.

Wanderingowl · 28/02/2023 13:49

beastlyslumber · 28/02/2023 11:21

So are you saying that little girls experience sexual desire and sexual pleasure? Because no, they don't, and that is wrong, and sounds like what a child abuser would say.

If you're saying that children touch their genitals from an early age, then that is correct. But it has nothing to do with sexuality, which doesn't develop until puberty. And it's not masturbation.

I am very much saying that and it's not wrong and nothing to do with child abuse. Females are capable of orgasm their entire life. Children touch their genitals from very early ages. And girls can orgasm from it. Most don't, but it is actually common enough to not be an anomaly. There has never been a time in my life that I couldn't orgasm. I hadn't a clue what I was doing until I was around 12/13 but it's something I was always capable of.

oldwhyno · 28/02/2023 14:17

NotHavingIt · 28/02/2023 12:43

I actually think some of them have sligtly more disturbing implications. The WPATH documents on eunuch identity, mentioned above, when researched further, leads you to a site for people interested in eunuchs, and includes lengthy fantasy stories about young boys subject to castration.

Sorry, just my dark humour. I agree there are significant elements that are disturbing, not least of which for me is the ideological indoctrination of children by cross dressing clowns.

CMO · 28/02/2023 14:30

Jackiebrambles · 27/02/2023 17:40

73?! That’s so specific.

Yeah, it;s totally unreasonable as everyone knows there are 127 genders.

JustPassingTyhme · 28/02/2023 15:31

Its disgusting that children are being exposed to this. How on earth are the teachers and professionals that have allowed this to be taught to children keeping their jobs? Don’t those working with children have a legal obligation to report child abuse and safeguarding concerns.

Teachers are given training and reporting structures to enable them to report things like this. They cannot claim ignorance and they cannot claim that they don’t know how to report this absolute annihilation of safeguarding because they are given safeguarding training.

Some of the teachers have expressed to the children that they think the material they are showing them is wrong, yet they still enabled what is essentially child abuse to happen. So, the remaining teachers are either too stupid to realise its wrong, too intimidated to stand up for the children they are supposed to safeguard, or most terrifying of all, they genuinely think that this is ok material to show to children.

Regardless of the motivation each and every teacher and professional that allowed such material to be shown to children has proven that they are incapable of safeguarding, even when they have been given the training and the most optimal environment to support the reporting of safeguarding concerns. Yet they still enabled abuse to happen.

If they cannot safeguard at work, then they cannot safeguard at home. They have publicly proven that they will let a person with know affiliations to paedophiles talk to children about sex in a highly inappropriate manner.

They should not be allowed to work with the vulnerable. They should not be allowed to be around any vulnerable adults in their life. They should not be allowed to have custardy of their children, they should not even be allowed unsupervised contact with their children.

I hope the parents of the poor school children on the Isle of Man are reporting the teachers and professionals involved in this to social services and to the police. Not just for the safety of the children those teachers interact with at work, but also for the safety of any children those teachers have, or any vulnerable adults those teachers know.

I hope the police will prosecute the teachers, and I hope that the teachers children are take away from such unsuitable and incapable parents. I have absolutely no respect for anyone that partook in this.

Treaclemine · 28/02/2023 16:07

When I was teaching, there was an influx of Bad Science in training days. None of it was sexual. I wondered why we had it, but lookimg back, I now wonder whether it was to see what they could persuade teachers to do.
I particulary recall Brain Gym. It began with the idea of different functions of right and left brains. It had not kept up with the work on the subject, especially male and female (not lady brains!) It said that the two hemispheres should be made to work together by means of buttons on the body. We were all instructed to teach the language of the scheme and do their exercises in the part of the afternoon that had been break. No discussion was allowed. I didn't do what was instructed as it had no scientific validity, but feeling that exercise break was a good idea, resorted to Victorian exercises instead, and never got caught.
Looking back, the elements of pseudoscience, unquestioned, and unquestionable by those without much science education; instructions to obey, and the feeling that you couldn't talk with collegues about it seem familiar. They all seemed so enthusistic.

FictionalCharacter · 28/02/2023 17:03

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StephanieSuperpowers · 28/02/2023 17:04

God, I remember having to do Brain Gym with the body buttons and the elephant thing.

birchtreeglow · 28/02/2023 17:19

Madcats · 28/02/2023 12:14

I think I might be Blizzgender today. It's a bit chilly without the heating on and I am in a bad mood about what is being inflicted on little kids these days. Are my pronouns "Brr"/"Grr"?

If you look for "Women's Voices" on Twitter you ought to be able to find an interview about the school. The suggestion is that their sex ed guidelines are bases on the Scottish ones.

Thanks @Madcats , I hadn't seen Women's Voices before. Found the video. Blimey.

twitter.com/WomenReadWomen/status/1630499121026195459?s=20

JemimaTiggywinkles · 28/02/2023 17:26

the most optimal environment to support the reporting of safeguarding concerns

Unfortunately, that is just not the case. Teachers report safeguarding concerns to the DSL - usually the head or deputy head (essentially their bosses). If you disagree with how they've handled it you can escalate to the local authority. If you further disagree you could report to ofsted. But if all of those with actual power (local authority, ofsted) think the head is right then there is actually nothing you can do. I've quit a job over unacceptable safeguarding procedures, but I am lucky that I work in a shortage subject so can easily find more work. I've seen colleagues hounded out of work because they had escalated (to the local authority) a safeguarding report they didn't feel had been handled correctly.

JustPassingTyhme · 28/02/2023 18:19

I’m glad that you have principles when it comes to safeguarding and have acted on them. However, it is incorrect that there is nothing a teacher can do if their deputy safeguarding lead cannot safeguard. If the safeguarding lead will not adequality safeguard vulnerable children (literally their job), then that in itself is a safeguarding concern.

Teachers can take it to social services, ofsted, the police, or their MP. Lots of teachers are part of a Union. Why not contact the press about the inadequate safeguarding procedures for teachers? If teachers are being wrongfully fired for raising safeguarding concerns then they can contact a lawyer.

Teachers spend approximately 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, 10 months a year with children. They must be able to safeguard. They cannot simply shrug their shoulders and watch as children are being abused, because their boss is being difficult, and they don’t want to be fired. Do you think it is an acceptable response to say to the children:

“I know you were traumatised for life by that lesson, but your teacher valued money over your safety.”

No amount of money can ever compensate for child abuse. They are paid to teach and safeguard children; it is part of their job. If they are not doing the safeguarding part of their job, they can give half of their salary back. They are putting money ahead of the wellbeing of children. If they would do that at work, they would do that a home.

If they cannot safeguard at work, then they cannot safeguard at home.

mach2 · 28/02/2023 18:57

That doesn't logically follow.

FictionalCharacter · 28/02/2023 19:13

Treaclemine · 28/02/2023 16:07

When I was teaching, there was an influx of Bad Science in training days. None of it was sexual. I wondered why we had it, but lookimg back, I now wonder whether it was to see what they could persuade teachers to do.
I particulary recall Brain Gym. It began with the idea of different functions of right and left brains. It had not kept up with the work on the subject, especially male and female (not lady brains!) It said that the two hemispheres should be made to work together by means of buttons on the body. We were all instructed to teach the language of the scheme and do their exercises in the part of the afternoon that had been break. No discussion was allowed. I didn't do what was instructed as it had no scientific validity, but feeling that exercise break was a good idea, resorted to Victorian exercises instead, and never got caught.
Looking back, the elements of pseudoscience, unquestioned, and unquestionable by those without much science education; instructions to obey, and the feeling that you couldn't talk with collegues about it seem familiar. They all seemed so enthusistic.

Well. My reply to this was deleted. It was about scientists being told they’re wrong about, er, stuff, because the “science has changed”. Maybe because I referred to a certain movement in terms that are disapproved of. I will send myself for re-education.

JemimaTiggywinkles · 28/02/2023 20:11

Teachers can take it to social services, ofsted, the police, or their MP. Lots of teachers are part of a Union. Why not contact the press about the inadequate safeguarding procedures for teachers? If teachers are being wrongfully fired for raising safeguarding concerns then they can contact a lawyer.

None of the organisations you have listed care at all about poor safeguarding procedures in schools. They only care once a child has been hurt, and if you try to raise flags in advance they assume school leadership are right and the teacher is wrong. Except unions, of course, but they are fully captured. Press and getting fired are nuclear options which are largely unavailable to people who need to feed and house their own children. In most cases the union will advise you to get a different job rather than fight a battle you’ll probably lose.

I wasn’t brave. I quit for an equally well paid job.

That said, I’m pretty sure I’d have taken being sacked rather than teaching children how to masturbate!

DemiColon · 28/02/2023 22:21

beastlyslumber · 28/02/2023 11:21

So are you saying that little girls experience sexual desire and sexual pleasure? Because no, they don't, and that is wrong, and sounds like what a child abuser would say.

If you're saying that children touch their genitals from an early age, then that is correct. But it has nothing to do with sexuality, which doesn't develop until puberty. And it's not masturbation.

It's really not uncommon for young children to masturbate before puberty. Do they think of it in the way an adult would, no, but it's part of the sexual response system.

EpicChaos · 28/02/2023 23:17

@birchtreeglow You're welcome for the welcomes :-)

@JustPassingTyhme

" Teachers can take it to social services, ofsted, the police, or their MP. Lots of teachers are part of a Union. Why not contact the press about the inadequate safeguarding procedures for teachers? If teachers are being wrongfully fired for raising safeguarding concerns then they can contact a lawyer. "

Awwww, bless!
Which of those groups are not already captured, do you think? :-/
None!

Boiledbeetle · 01/03/2023 01:43

DemiColon · 28/02/2023 22:21

It's really not uncommon for young children to masturbate before puberty. Do they think of it in the way an adult would, no, but it's part of the sexual response system.

It's also a fact well known by men with bad intentions. They use the fact that a child gains pleasure from it without the child really understanding to their advantage. It helps them keep the child from speaking out because the child feels guilty and complicit because they orgasmed.

DemiColon · 01/03/2023 01:54

Boiledbeetle · 01/03/2023 01:43

It's also a fact well known by men with bad intentions. They use the fact that a child gains pleasure from it without the child really understanding to their advantage. It helps them keep the child from speaking out because the child feels guilty and complicit because they orgasmed.

Yes, or simply confuses the child in general which makes it harder to deal with what's happened.

But I'm not sure where the idea that it's abnormal as such for children to experience sexual feelings comes from, it's just factually inaccurate.

MarshaMelrose · 01/03/2023 02:08

CMO · 28/02/2023 14:30

Yeah, it;s totally unreasonable as everyone knows there are 127 genders.

Yeah. That drag queen is just a bigot leaving those others off.

Link3 · 01/03/2023 02:43

But I'm not sure where the idea that it's abnormal as such for children to experience sexual feelings comes from, it's just factually inaccurate.

It's abnormal when adults prescribe (project?) sexuality onto a child's perfectly normal pleasure responses.

NastyNiff · 01/03/2023 02:51

Fascinated this is happening under the Tories. Although it would happen under Labour too

EnterChasedByAMemory · 01/03/2023 02:52

icanneverthinkofnc · 27/02/2023 18:25

Grooming in plain sight....I would be very looking closely at all those adults involved if I were SS/police.

Agreed. I’m surprised this was even allowed in the first place. All those who were complicit in organizing and approving this, as I’m sure there must be a stringent approval process to bringing in a guest speaker in a school, must be looked into. At best they just were incompetent and didn’t do their due diligence and at worst there is a more sinister agenda.