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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Pupil made to leave class by drag queen for disagreeing with notion there are 73 genders

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ResisterRex · 27/02/2023 17:27

Just when you think you've seen it all. Apparently the Department for Education has been contacted for comment:

Drag queen ‘teaches 11-year-olds about anal sex and tells them there are 73 genders’

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/02/27/drag-queen-teaches-11-year-olds-anal-sex-tells-73-genders/

"Sex education has been suspended in Isle of Man schools after a drag queen allegedly told 11-year-olds that there are 73 genders.
The Isle of Man government has launched an independent review of its personal, social, health and economic (PSHE) curriculum after parents raised the alarmm_ about the “graphic, disproportionate, indecent presentation” of sexual acts and different gender identities understood to have been taught in lessons.
Parents of pupils at Queen Elizabeth II High School in Peel, on the Isle of Man, have reported that Year 7 pupils were taught by a drag queenn_ who told them there are 73 genders.
When one “upset” child responded and said “there’s only two”, the drag queen allegedly responded “you’ve upset me” and made the pupil leave the class.
Some 11-year-olds at the school were taught about oral and anal sex, while another group learned about sex change operations and were shown how skin graft taken from a girl’s arm could be used on an artificial penis, according to reports.
“A lot of children are just too traumatised to even talk to their parents," Eliza Cox, vice-chairman of Marown Commissioners, told Energy FM Isle of Man. “As a parent, you don’t know what children are being taught.”
She said that one teacher on the island had told her she had to teach a group of boys and girls in Years 7 and 8 how to masturbate. Another teacher was said to be so uncomfortable with the content of the PSHE curriculum that they told pupils: “Please don’t listen to me” while they taught the lesson."

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Silverbook · 28/02/2023 08:31

IcakethereforeIam · 27/02/2023 17:32

Isle of Them, surely.

😂

bellinisurge · 28/02/2023 08:34

Keeping kids away from adult performers is a hill I'm prepared to ...etc etc. It's never "senior story time " with a woman currently in a care home, it's never "disability positive story time" with someone from a disabled persons activist/support group.

It's always woman face story time.

Grumpybutfunny · 28/02/2023 08:36

Teaching by a drag Queen not a problem for any subject. Teaching about gender and the multiple different genders (more are coming to light so I don't think we should put a number on it) not a problem. My concern would be that at age 11 sex is still a bit ick, so teaching about sex positions is likely to turn into an avenue for bullying especially towards LBQT+ students.

Maybe this should have been for older pupils and the Queen asked to introduce more broad subjects such as relationships being between anyone and what it means to be a drag Queen to the younger pupils.

I do think sex needs to be discussed in schools so kids aren't forced to learn about it from porn, glamourising what will never happen in a average relationship.

LexMitior · 28/02/2023 08:37

I hope the idiot that sanctioned this is sacked. And then their computer usage checked with the police.

Wanderingowl · 28/02/2023 08:42

SchoolTripDrama · 28/02/2023 02:28

I beg your pardon? 4 or 5? I'm sorry but that's not right ☹️

Yes it is. It's perfectly normal for girls to be able to masturbate, even before we're born. I have no memory of ever learning to masturbate but I could always do it. I didn't know that's what I was doing until about 12, but it's something I know I did since at least toddlerhood.

NotHavingIt · 28/02/2023 09:38

Echobelly · 27/02/2023 21:42

The 73 genders thing is daft and, if that's how it happened, it wasn't necessary to insist the child believes that and it was totally the wrong way to deal with it.

The sex education sounds very inappropriate but I don't see the text saying that the drag queen was doing any of the teaching and therefore it is a matter for the people who designed the curriculum to deal with, but in a nasty, manipulative bit of homophobia it's been written ambiguously to link those with the drag queen. Even a wokey snowflake like me initially read it as the drag queen having done that before I realised that's not what it said, so it's clearly written to set people off.

Maybe you don't like drag, but if you amplify these stories uncritically you are being a useful idiot for deeply unpleasant people who want to destroy LGBTQ's people's lives with the 'won't someone think of the children' line and turning otherwise reasonable people to the idea that all gay rights have gone too far and they need putting back in the closet.

What has "gone too far" is the pushing of queer theory and the attempt to "queer society" of which DQST is just one part.

Not all LGB people identify as 'queer' or want anything to do with the 'queer community' or with the idea that being same sex attracted totally determines your personal or cultural identity along certain predictable lines.

It was always inevitable that there would be push back from the public when all of this reached consciousness. If Pride and other LGB related activities are saturated with fetish, BDSM and all of the other kinks and paraphillias that are now common - in the guise of the 'big rainbow family' or 'queer community' then the average member of the public will associate LGB with all of that, unfortunately.

Queer Theory has been so regressive and damaging with its insistence on the pushing of 'transgressive' sexual, and other, practices to the detriment of many.

Clymene · 28/02/2023 09:44

Grumpybutfunny · 28/02/2023 08:36

Teaching by a drag Queen not a problem for any subject. Teaching about gender and the multiple different genders (more are coming to light so I don't think we should put a number on it) not a problem. My concern would be that at age 11 sex is still a bit ick, so teaching about sex positions is likely to turn into an avenue for bullying especially towards LBQT+ students.

Maybe this should have been for older pupils and the Queen asked to introduce more broad subjects such as relationships being between anyone and what it means to be a drag Queen to the younger pupils.

I do think sex needs to be discussed in schools so kids aren't forced to learn about it from porn, glamourising what will never happen in a average relationship.

No one has said sex shouldn't be taught in schools.

And why are you capitalising the Q in queen? Confused

NotHavingIt · 28/02/2023 09:55

Grumpybutfunny · 28/02/2023 08:36

Teaching by a drag Queen not a problem for any subject. Teaching about gender and the multiple different genders (more are coming to light so I don't think we should put a number on it) not a problem. My concern would be that at age 11 sex is still a bit ick, so teaching about sex positions is likely to turn into an avenue for bullying especially towards LBQT+ students.

Maybe this should have been for older pupils and the Queen asked to introduce more broad subjects such as relationships being between anyone and what it means to be a drag Queen to the younger pupils.

I do think sex needs to be discussed in schools so kids aren't forced to learn about it from porn, glamourising what will never happen in a average relationship.

Teaching by drag queens is an issue for multiple reasons:

Teaching should not be about indoctrination, but about presenting children with material facts or about competing ideologies and ways of viewing the world.

Anyone brought in to teach children usually needs to have gone through a full CRB check and they are expected to have some basic teaching and classroom management skills. An invited guest teacher should never be left alone with a group of children.

What drag queens are 'teaching' is in fact highly contested theory which most people would consider inappropriate, confusing or upsetting for younger children especially.

The presentation of grotesque parodies of womanhood as being liberating or as challenging gender stereotypes is highly questionable.

Drag is adult entertainment and these acts tend to be saturated in crude and sexualised comedy and innuendo. It is not suitable for children.

JemimaTiggywinkles · 28/02/2023 10:10

@Redebs This is not ok

The section of sex education which parents cannot withdraw children from is the content covered in biology. So the mechanics of sexual reproduction in humans, sperm / ova, reproductive systems and the menstrual cycle. I think there is some stuff on STIs and how the contraceptive pill works too, but I haven't taught GCSE biology for a long time!

The non-withdrawable aspects of relationship education is almost all fine. Schools are required to teach healthy relationships, consent etc with gay relationships covered alongside heterosexual ones rather than just a stand alone lesson on being gay. We do have to teach about the protected characteristics, and I don't think anyone here would be fine with some parents being allowed to withdraw children from content that teaches women are equal to men (for example). The bit which is problematic (in the statutory guidance) is that schools are told to teach about gender identity, without any guidance on what it is or what we are supposed to teach. But parents can withdraw their children from anything sexually explicit in this area.

HorribleNecktie · 28/02/2023 10:13

Grumpybutfunny · 28/02/2023 08:36

Teaching by a drag Queen not a problem for any subject. Teaching about gender and the multiple different genders (more are coming to light so I don't think we should put a number on it) not a problem. My concern would be that at age 11 sex is still a bit ick, so teaching about sex positions is likely to turn into an avenue for bullying especially towards LBQT+ students.

Maybe this should have been for older pupils and the Queen asked to introduce more broad subjects such as relationships being between anyone and what it means to be a drag Queen to the younger pupils.

I do think sex needs to be discussed in schools so kids aren't forced to learn about it from porn, glamourising what will never happen in a average relationship.

So tell us more about these dozens of emerging genders and their role
in the mammalian sexual reproductive process.

I’ve done some light research using this list and I must say it is fascinating.

Some selections:
Blizzgender– A gender that feels cold, snowy, and harsh. When it’s paired to another gender, it’s known as wintegender.

Felisgender– A small, catlike gender.

Jupitergender– A gender that is so large and present, one is not quite sure what it is because it’s too big to see clearly, but it is definitely there and one knows that they’re definitely not cis.

What gametes does a Blizzgender produce? Does the foetus gestate in a Jupitergender? Are Felisgenders able to
lick their own genitals?

Or is this all just a load of fucking bollocks cooked up by navel-gazing teenagers on Tumblr who are desperately seeking a pigeonhole for themselves? And if so, is it really necessary to teach this in school.

lechiffre55 · 28/02/2023 10:35

Sex education is suspended in Isle of Man school after drag queen guest speaker 'tells 11-year-olds there are 73 genders - and made a child who said there are ''only two'' leave the class'

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11800751/Sex-education-suspended-Isle-Man-school-drag-queen-tells-pupil-73-genders.html

FrancescaContini · 28/02/2023 10:44

@Grumpybutfunny What are these “different genders” that are “coming to light”? Who is discovering them? Who decides how to categorise them?

Please tell all!

Boiledbeetle · 28/02/2023 11:12

HorribleNecktie · 28/02/2023 10:13

So tell us more about these dozens of emerging genders and their role
in the mammalian sexual reproductive process.

I’ve done some light research using this list and I must say it is fascinating.

Some selections:
Blizzgender– A gender that feels cold, snowy, and harsh. When it’s paired to another gender, it’s known as wintegender.

Felisgender– A small, catlike gender.

Jupitergender– A gender that is so large and present, one is not quite sure what it is because it’s too big to see clearly, but it is definitely there and one knows that they’re definitely not cis.

What gametes does a Blizzgender produce? Does the foetus gestate in a Jupitergender? Are Felisgenders able to
lick their own genitals?

Or is this all just a load of fucking bollocks cooked up by navel-gazing teenagers on Tumblr who are desperately seeking a pigeonhole for themselves? And if so, is it really necessary to teach this in school.

If we can choose genders then I think I'd like to go with a mash up of Felisgender and Jupitergender. It's a logical match. I use so much energy being Jupitergender that it requires frequent cat naps to recharge!

I'm not sure how it's going to work 're pronouns. Maybe inspiration will come to me whilst I na zzzzzzzzz

oldwhyno · 28/02/2023 11:12

FrancescaContini · 28/02/2023 10:44

@Grumpybutfunny What are these “different genders” that are “coming to light”? Who is discovering them? Who decides how to categorise them?

Please tell all!

There are loads of them on one of my favourite websites for comedy www.lgbtqia.wiki/wiki/Category:Gender

They're not discovered, they're invented, and only people with too much time on their hands would try to classify them.

KnottyKnitting · 28/02/2023 11:12

I really do have no words for this insanity- but would be absolutely furious if my DCs had been subjected to this sort of "education"

Has anyone actually looked up this list of 73"genders" ? It is utterly batshit! How on earth did anyone come up with such twaddle!

FrancescaContini · 28/02/2023 11:14

@oldwhyno It’s okay, I was being tongue in cheek…

oldwhyno · 28/02/2023 11:14

NashvilleQueen · 28/02/2023 07:27

Why is it always drag?

By all means have representation from the lgbtq+ community in schools. I fully agree with the notion that young people need to know that however they fit in it's fine and normal but drag is an extreme caricature.

How have they become the go-to group to traipse into schools sprinkling fucking glitter and tottering about on platform heels? Why can't we have lesbian doctors and gay car salesmen and trans greengrocers and bi stay at home parents and so on so that young people see sex as just part of who we are and not something that's overblown and grotesque?

"drag" is the queer equivalent of a clown. It's to appeal to and entertain children. Clowns for five year olds at parties, okay. Clowns for sex ed to pre-teens, not okay.

beastlyslumber · 28/02/2023 11:19

This is insane, and incredibly disturbing.

beastlyslumber · 28/02/2023 11:21

Wanderingowl · 28/02/2023 08:42

Yes it is. It's perfectly normal for girls to be able to masturbate, even before we're born. I have no memory of ever learning to masturbate but I could always do it. I didn't know that's what I was doing until about 12, but it's something I know I did since at least toddlerhood.

So are you saying that little girls experience sexual desire and sexual pleasure? Because no, they don't, and that is wrong, and sounds like what a child abuser would say.

If you're saying that children touch their genitals from an early age, then that is correct. But it has nothing to do with sexuality, which doesn't develop until puberty. And it's not masturbation.

Guis · 28/02/2023 11:26

World is imploding upon itself. Reason and rational thinking has left the universe.

StephanieSuperpowers · 28/02/2023 11:34

The big problem I have with this is that children are a captive audience and just the fact that this is happening within a school setting gives the absolute nonsense this person was coming out with a kind of legitimacy.

IcakethereforeIam · 28/02/2023 11:55

Gender identity, with all these different genders, reminds me more and more of Pokemon. I'm not just being facetious (although I am a bit). I think with a section of youth it's trying to find their tribe, to fit in but also to stand out. Some will be having fun with the concept, others are taking it far too seriously. Oh, and anime.

Sazzasez · 28/02/2023 11:58

How many genders can dance on the head of a pin?

Madcats · 28/02/2023 12:14

I think I might be Blizzgender today. It's a bit chilly without the heating on and I am in a bad mood about what is being inflicted on little kids these days. Are my pronouns "Brr"/"Grr"?

If you look for "Women's Voices" on Twitter you ought to be able to find an interview about the school. The suggestion is that their sex ed guidelines are bases on the Scottish ones.

NotHavingIt · 28/02/2023 12:38

HorribleNecktie · 28/02/2023 10:13

So tell us more about these dozens of emerging genders and their role
in the mammalian sexual reproductive process.

I’ve done some light research using this list and I must say it is fascinating.

Some selections:
Blizzgender– A gender that feels cold, snowy, and harsh. When it’s paired to another gender, it’s known as wintegender.

Felisgender– A small, catlike gender.

Jupitergender– A gender that is so large and present, one is not quite sure what it is because it’s too big to see clearly, but it is definitely there and one knows that they’re definitely not cis.

What gametes does a Blizzgender produce? Does the foetus gestate in a Jupitergender? Are Felisgenders able to
lick their own genitals?

Or is this all just a load of fucking bollocks cooked up by navel-gazing teenagers on Tumblr who are desperately seeking a pigeonhole for themselves? And if so, is it really necessary to teach this in school.

Add to that 'Eunuch' identity which WPATH tells us can develop in children as young as three years old - as was documented on Scottish NHS documentation until it was hurriedly pulled in September of last year.