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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Experiences of a Trans Person

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invalide · 27/02/2023 16:11

I think it might be healthy to document here the experiences of someone from the other side, and for you to pay it some mind.

I'm an early-twenties STEM student working in renewable energies, and outside of my course I'm a photographer and musician. I've travelled a fair amount and adore my home country of Scotland. Living in Glasgow, I have found a queer community of beautiful people who create a joy to everyday life I treasure.

At the beginning of this month there was a 'Let Women Speak' rally held here that some of you here attended; I have seldom felt more unwelcome and stripped of dignity than while in your crowd, carrying out my photojournalistic duties (images 1&2). While capturing Kellie-Jay Keen pathologising my friends as subhuman perverts and members of the crowd flaunting their homophobia and their use of dogwhistles (subliminal far-right messaging) I was being brazenly looked up and down, receiving steely gazes and pursed lips and hushed whispers behind my back. While photographing the first speaker after Keen, who began her piece portraying autistic people as children devoid of agency, I was approached by one of you who made it clear I looked too queer for their liking and was squaring up for assault. I made my way out at this point (captured at 8:42 here and 9:09 here).
The atmosphere your movement brought to George Square was one I've only before experienced while documenting far-right rallies in Eastern Europe, where I have been hounded through the streets and beaten up for the same reason. I assure you, your ideology would feel very much at home there.

At the other side of the square things couldn't have been more different, you were bathed in colour and music and hugs and laughter, the place is full of friends dancing and dressed resplendent in whatever camp pretty things they felt like (images 2&3).

Ours was a crowd of locals; I strained to hear a Glasgow accent in yours.

Ours is a city that at short notice manages to fill the top of Buchanan Street (image 5) in solidarity with the queer community - the last time I saw it like this was during COP26. It's one that fills George Square in a candlelit vigil for Brianna Ghey.

Your movement has meant I'm called a pervert and a groomer while going about my average daily life. Our morally vacuous, increasingly fascist political class (thinking also of Magnus Hirschfeld and of Martin Niemöller's famous poem) is picking up what you've started and they're running with it. You may not call yourself a homophobe, a white nationalist or an antisemite, but you're sitting awfully comfortably considering that those that do find your movement incredibly attractive.

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Happylittlechicken · 28/02/2023 17:28

Cos even. Fml

BezMills · 28/02/2023 17:30

Well he's come on here saying he's the guy who was wandering about pointing his joirnalistic duties camera at the LWS people. An event that is completely videographed on the youtubes from multiple angles.
How long does laddio think it would take me or anyone else to find a nice screenshot of him. I wish I was early twenties 21 quite often, but I do quite enjoy the old fully grown prefrontal cortex, comes in handy every day. So it's swings and roundabouts.

RealFeminist · 28/02/2023 17:30

IcakethereforeIam · 28/02/2023 17:19

@RealFeminist have you tried it with vodka, cointreau and lime juice? It'll do bugger all for a uti though.

NO BEING FUNNY BUT THATS GOING TO STING LIKE FUCK

Ereshkigalangcleg · 28/02/2023 17:31

It's worth checking out Lechiffre's link.

RufustheSpeculatingreindeer · 28/02/2023 17:39

RealFeminist · 28/02/2023 17:30

NO BEING FUNNY BUT THATS GOING TO STING LIKE FUCK

😀

love these posts

lechiffre55 · 28/02/2023 17:40

Is this the guy who tried to infiltrate the KJK group at one of the recent events and looked like the most out of place person ever? He was wearing a bodystocking under his outer clothes. There's a woman marshall interacting / looking at him with one of the funniest looks I have ever seen on another human's face. It looks like she's trying to work out if the man in front of her believes his "disguise" would fool anyone. It's one of those I thought I'd seen all life has to offer, but this takes the biscuit looks. I could hear the word "seriously" in my head when I looked at that picture.
Even if it's not the same person, if anyone knows where the photo I'm on about was posted, please link. I'd love to spend another few minutes chuckling at it, and can't remember where I saw it.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 28/02/2023 17:48

There's a woman marshall interacting / looking at him with one of the funniest looks I have ever seen on another human's face.

Was it "steely" and/or "brazen"?

DerekFaker · 28/02/2023 17:48

I'd actually like to thank the OP for this thread as it has led to some excellent posts by some of our regulars.

I absolutely take offence at the DARVO displayed by the OP though. The violence and aggression and nasty placards ALWAYS comes from the TRA side.

At Glasgow a TRA assaulted two women and tried to destroy their sign.

(Video here: twitter.com/TheIndyNinja1/status/1622232222664212481?t=ce27_tQ8-jawVFe-w5XflA&s=19

The day before at UCL a woman was assaulted (her arms were covered in bruises) and had her phone smashed. Violent ex con Sarah Jane Baker was at that protest shouting "Cunts" through a megaphone and the TRAs bragged about chasing women from room to room.

Back to Glasgow:

The person who tried get the furries to protest was Beth Douglas, who is known for their violent rhetoric, love of knives and swords and who has been accused of sexual assault.

BUT OOOH NO STERN LOOKS! THE HORROR!

I think the moment the OP was given a withering look may have been caught on camera, unless they are the other guy who claimed to be in the IRA and was removed by the police?

lechiffre55 · 28/02/2023 17:48

I would say it was a lot more "what the fuck is this?"

SinnerBoy · 28/02/2023 17:49

ArabellaScott · Today 16:49

Aye, keep attacking women, keep screaming at middle aged feminists.

And screaming at Nazi babies.

Must. Not. Forget. To. Scream. At. Babies.

Babies are all Nazis, y'know.

lechiffre55 · 28/02/2023 17:51

@DerekFaker
That's the photo I asked for thank you :) Middle right. Fish out of water.

SinnerBoy · 28/02/2023 17:51

WinterTrees · Today 17:17

Honestly, it's like a toddler standing there with chocolate all round their face and denying they have anything to do with the empty Nutella jar.

Are you stalking me?!! How do you know my daughter?

😂

BezMills · 28/02/2023 17:57

Fishnet dude looming head and shoulders over the woman, who to be fair was giving him a high 90%s paddington stare.
I mean I would not enjoy that either, but I'd probably send myself homeward, to think again. That's probably my "fully developed neocortex" privilege speaking tho, to be fair.

Baaaaaa · 28/02/2023 17:58

invalide · 28/02/2023 14:32

I'll clear some things up:

  • I'm non-binary, not a trans woman - I left this ambiguous out of curiosity and yes, the majority of you who address me refer to me as a trans woman. Very telling that this way - the most common way we are talked about in the gutter-rag British press - is the first in which you think of our community.
  • We don't resist your movement because you are women, in fact in the times you've been out in public it's been a pretty even 50/50 men/women; we resist you because you are a political movement whose message, picked up by the media and politicians, poses one more threat to our community. We don't do this for fun.
  • You have tellingly chosen to ignore the point in my photos and mentioned, sourced, over and over in my post that alt-right figures and groups, of this country and internationally, are attracted to your movement. Correspondingly, the most prominent heads of your movement sing the praises of these self-proclaimed fascists. It doesn't matter if you reject them, fact is that they see in your political movement another home.
  • You misdiagnose the problem all women and the queer community face: it is not males, but the way they are socialised. It is not men but patriarchy. Feminism is not at odds with LGBT rights. We will only see liberation from this toxic gender paradigm when we recognise it as the source of the violence which women and queer people have experienced all our lives and act against it together.

While I'm here, here are some articles I hope you'll take a chance on. I can dream...

Any minor sympathy or empathy I may have had when I thought you were mtf trans woman just evaporated.

Non binary! AMAB though right?

In order for special non binary people to exist. You need everybody else to be binary.

Binary and non binary create a new binary.
So now I am forced into two boxes I reject, instead of one. Thanks

Answer me this please:

is it your sex or your gender you consider to be non binary?
I don't identify with gender either, i consider them meaningless sex stereotypes, do you think that makes me non binary?

Baaaaaa · 28/02/2023 17:59

@iinvalide

I'll read your articles if you watch this(i can dream):

newdiscourses.com/2020/06/helen-pluckrose-evolution-postmodern-thought/

It will help you to understand the well documented origins of your political movement (I mean community). Your political movement is a pure branch of applied critical social justice theory called queer theory. It is an evolution of Marxism that doesn't consider economic factors relevant. Very well documented.

I'm my opinion you are correct. There is political opposition to queer theory. It's called liberalism. You should read up about that too, it's really great for advancing equality.

It was doing a really stellar job of staving off the far right and advancing human rights until "social justice activism "came along and undermined it.

ArabellaScott · 28/02/2023 18:02

Call me AMAB?

'Let faith oust fact; let fancy oust memory; I look deep down and do believe.'

StephanieSuperpowers · 28/02/2023 18:03

Worst novel ever.

TheShellBeach · 28/02/2023 18:06

Baaaaaa · 28/02/2023 17:58

Any minor sympathy or empathy I may have had when I thought you were mtf trans woman just evaporated.

Non binary! AMAB though right?

In order for special non binary people to exist. You need everybody else to be binary.

Binary and non binary create a new binary.
So now I am forced into two boxes I reject, instead of one. Thanks

Answer me this please:

is it your sex or your gender you consider to be non binary?
I don't identify with gender either, i consider them meaningless sex stereotypes, do you think that makes me non binary?

I think it makes you very sensible.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 28/02/2023 18:08

Creative writing exercise where the brief was to write like an entitled pompous git?

Vintagevixen · 28/02/2023 18:10

I knew it! I knew he was a man and I knew he was one of the twitter type TRA's.

Top notch middle aged lady sleuthing skills on this thread!

IcakethereforeIam · 28/02/2023 18:13

I've heard about this ai that'll write essays for you. Perhaps @invalide was using one of those. I hope so. Better that than a real person came out with that tosh.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 28/02/2023 18:16

It does have that ring about it, now you come to mention it.

terryleather · 28/02/2023 18:21

A claim of non-binary is how entitled, middle-class, privileged white men launder that privilege to gain even more social status and juicy oppression points.

A power play. As always.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 28/02/2023 18:29

So @invalide posts a thread to educate us about their experiences as a Trans person but then comes back onto the thread to tell us he is not trans. Hmm

So he has not had any experiences as a trans person, but still thinks we should pay attention and learn from his misogynist twaddle. I’ll pass.

nilsmousehammer · 28/02/2023 18:31

Fair play: that is a pretty good Paddington Stare. Primary teacher seeing fidgeting in assembly/mum warning that if you clock your brother again you're going to bed early kind of topnotch Look.

To anyone saddened by this harshness; have you considered not pissing women off? That has a brilliant effect in them not Looking at you. Brazenly. As if they don't owe you 24/7 unconditional nurturing.

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