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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Experiences of a Trans Person

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invalide · 27/02/2023 16:11

I think it might be healthy to document here the experiences of someone from the other side, and for you to pay it some mind.

I'm an early-twenties STEM student working in renewable energies, and outside of my course I'm a photographer and musician. I've travelled a fair amount and adore my home country of Scotland. Living in Glasgow, I have found a queer community of beautiful people who create a joy to everyday life I treasure.

At the beginning of this month there was a 'Let Women Speak' rally held here that some of you here attended; I have seldom felt more unwelcome and stripped of dignity than while in your crowd, carrying out my photojournalistic duties (images 1&2). While capturing Kellie-Jay Keen pathologising my friends as subhuman perverts and members of the crowd flaunting their homophobia and their use of dogwhistles (subliminal far-right messaging) I was being brazenly looked up and down, receiving steely gazes and pursed lips and hushed whispers behind my back. While photographing the first speaker after Keen, who began her piece portraying autistic people as children devoid of agency, I was approached by one of you who made it clear I looked too queer for their liking and was squaring up for assault. I made my way out at this point (captured at 8:42 here and 9:09 here).
The atmosphere your movement brought to George Square was one I've only before experienced while documenting far-right rallies in Eastern Europe, where I have been hounded through the streets and beaten up for the same reason. I assure you, your ideology would feel very much at home there.

At the other side of the square things couldn't have been more different, you were bathed in colour and music and hugs and laughter, the place is full of friends dancing and dressed resplendent in whatever camp pretty things they felt like (images 2&3).

Ours was a crowd of locals; I strained to hear a Glasgow accent in yours.

Ours is a city that at short notice manages to fill the top of Buchanan Street (image 5) in solidarity with the queer community - the last time I saw it like this was during COP26. It's one that fills George Square in a candlelit vigil for Brianna Ghey.

Your movement has meant I'm called a pervert and a groomer while going about my average daily life. Our morally vacuous, increasingly fascist political class (thinking also of Magnus Hirschfeld and of Martin Niemöller's famous poem) is picking up what you've started and they're running with it. You may not call yourself a homophobe, a white nationalist or an antisemite, but you're sitting awfully comfortably considering that those that do find your movement incredibly attractive.

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RealFeminist · 28/02/2023 16:56

UTIS ARE AWFUL

RealFeminist · 28/02/2023 16:57

THEY SAY CRANBERRY JUICE WORKS BUT ITS BOGGING

midgemadgemodge · 28/02/2023 16:57

Well actually I don't think feminism is at odds with lgbtq rights

Additional rights should be granted when a need is demonstrated

It's just at odds with the expectations of a subset of the lgbtq community

But since they can't explain why they see the need to remove sex based rights and replace them with gender based rights they won't win many arguments long term

And it's the LGBTQIA subset that is trying to remove rights from people not feminists here who 5 years ago would have been fighting to improve rights - add additional rights , not take away form anyone - for that community

Perhaps they could reflect on how they managed to turn away allies ?

BoreOfWhabylon · 28/02/2023 16:58

RealFeminist · 28/02/2023 16:53

QUITE RIGHT HEN ALL THESE SHOUTIN WOMMEN ARE DOIN MY HEAD IN

Should that not be "DOIN MA HEID IN"?

ReunitedThorns · 28/02/2023 16:59

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BezMills · 28/02/2023 17:01

@invalide so to clarify, you're just a spicy straight male who likes wearing gender non-conforming clothes, some of the time? Like basically every kilt-wearing Scotsman in history, but you're special.

Fair fucks to you, you do you pal.

DeanVolecapeAKAelderberry · 28/02/2023 17:01

BOIL PARSLEY ROOTS & DRINK THE LIQUID VILE BUT HELPFUL.

OR JUST COPIOUS WEAK TEA.

RealFeminist · 28/02/2023 17:02

IT MAKES YOUR MOUTH GO AW DRY AND CREEPIT IN.

RealFeminist · 28/02/2023 17:03

DeanVolecapeAKAelderberry · 28/02/2023 17:01

BOIL PARSLEY ROOTS & DRINK THE LIQUID VILE BUT HELPFUL.

OR JUST COPIOUS WEAK TEA.

IS THAT SOME KIND O WITCH THING I DINNAE TRUST YOUS LOT

BoreOfWhabylon · 28/02/2023 17:13

BezMills · 28/02/2023 17:01

@invalide so to clarify, you're just a spicy straight male who likes wearing gender non-conforming clothes, some of the time? Like basically every kilt-wearing Scotsman in history, but you're special.

Fair fucks to you, you do you pal.

His twitter profile pic is very obviously male. He's got his fringe held back with a clip and is wearing what looks like quite a nice knitted stars and stripes jumper but otherwise not obviously gender non-conforming.

Twitter bio also has the double male symbol, which apparently signifies gay male.

TheShellBeach · 28/02/2023 17:15

RealFeminist · 28/02/2023 16:57

THEY SAY CRANBERRY JUICE WORKS BUT ITS BOGGING

Disnae work anywa', hen.

RealFeminist · 28/02/2023 17:16

At the other side of the square things couldn't have been more different, you were bathed in colour and music and hugs and laughter, the place is full of friends dancing and dressed resplendent in whatever camp pretty things they felt like (images 2&3).

SOUNDS LOVELY BUT AHM JUST A WEE OLD NONBINARY PET WHIT DO I WEAR TO THESE QUEER DOS?

WinterTrees · 28/02/2023 17:17

Where did I link this on twitter?

Mate, you might have locked down your account now, but stable door - horse - bolted.

Honestly, it's like a toddler standing there with chocolate all round their face and denying they have anything to do with the empty Nutella jar.

IcakethereforeIam · 28/02/2023 17:19

@RealFeminist have you tried it with vodka, cointreau and lime juice? It'll do bugger all for a uti though.

Experiences of a Trans Person
Walrussy · 28/02/2023 17:20

WinterTrees · 28/02/2023 17:17

Where did I link this on twitter?

Mate, you might have locked down your account now, but stable door - horse - bolted.

Honestly, it's like a toddler standing there with chocolate all round their face and denying they have anything to do with the empty Nutella jar.

I've got the screenshot but mumsnet deleted me when I posted it yesterday, presumably for doxing? Genuinely didn't occur to me that OP minded as he used the same username in both places, and openly stated that he'd posted here.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 28/02/2023 17:21

I've learnt in my fight for equality from a womans perspective that shouting over people about why we are right feeds into the "hysterical woman" narrative.

Have you now. You should maybe care less about what misogynists think?

IcakethereforeIam · 28/02/2023 17:22

BoreOfWhabylon · 28/02/2023 17:13

His twitter profile pic is very obviously male. He's got his fringe held back with a clip and is wearing what looks like quite a nice knitted stars and stripes jumper but otherwise not obviously gender non-conforming.

Twitter bio also has the double male symbol, which apparently signifies gay male.

Typical male pattern balding as well, just starting to retreat.

CremeEggQueen · 28/02/2023 17:23

invalide · 28/02/2023 16:55

Hiya, I'm truly not sure what these comments talking about tracking are on about, I'm gathering nothing here. Might be cookies or a UTM? What're you seeing?
Where did I link this on twitter?

You're posting with a viewpoint that isn't the same as the majority on these threads - to some, that automatically means that all the different voices to their own must be one and the same person

lechiffre55 · 28/02/2023 17:23

@BoreOfWhabylon
His twitter profile pic is very obviously male. He's got his fringe held back with a clip and is wearing what looks like quite a nice knitted stars and stripes jumper but otherwise not obviously gender non-conforming.

The thing that surprised me the most is the stars and stripes top. I thought that would be far too imperialist attire. But I don't think he's American, like Norwegan or something so that might explain the lack of distain for the US flag.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 28/02/2023 17:24

We know perfectly well who OP is on Twitter Confused

DeanVolecapeAKAelderberry · 28/02/2023 17:25

I got the parsley root tip from a Russian pal years ago, her mother's 'cure' so probably a bit witchy, but it did help. Or maybe I just told myself it did so I didn't have to drink any more of it, it tasted fairly nasty. I used regular parsley from the garden, but these days you might get the roots grown as a vegetable in a 'Polish' shop.

lechiffre55 · 28/02/2023 17:26

Just leaving this here as a little musical interlude for anyone who needs a 5 minute break while they make a cuppa.

BoreOfWhabylon · 28/02/2023 17:26

Ereshkigalangcleg · 28/02/2023 17:24

We know perfectly well who OP is on Twitter Confused

Yes, with his 98 followers Smile

WinterTrees · 28/02/2023 17:27

I've got the screenshot but mumsnet deleted me when I posted it yesterday, presumably for doxing? Genuinely didn't occur to me that OP minded as he used the same username in both places, and openly stated that he'd posted here.

This is the great thing about MN FWR, and of women who are well accustomed to being gaslit, smeared and slandered. Someone always has the screenshots Grin

Happylittlechicken · 28/02/2023 17:28

Oh was this the guy in the kilt looking a bit sad cis the ladies were giving him cross looks?

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