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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Experiences of a Trans Person

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invalide · 27/02/2023 16:11

I think it might be healthy to document here the experiences of someone from the other side, and for you to pay it some mind.

I'm an early-twenties STEM student working in renewable energies, and outside of my course I'm a photographer and musician. I've travelled a fair amount and adore my home country of Scotland. Living in Glasgow, I have found a queer community of beautiful people who create a joy to everyday life I treasure.

At the beginning of this month there was a 'Let Women Speak' rally held here that some of you here attended; I have seldom felt more unwelcome and stripped of dignity than while in your crowd, carrying out my photojournalistic duties (images 1&2). While capturing Kellie-Jay Keen pathologising my friends as subhuman perverts and members of the crowd flaunting their homophobia and their use of dogwhistles (subliminal far-right messaging) I was being brazenly looked up and down, receiving steely gazes and pursed lips and hushed whispers behind my back. While photographing the first speaker after Keen, who began her piece portraying autistic people as children devoid of agency, I was approached by one of you who made it clear I looked too queer for their liking and was squaring up for assault. I made my way out at this point (captured at 8:42 here and 9:09 here).
The atmosphere your movement brought to George Square was one I've only before experienced while documenting far-right rallies in Eastern Europe, where I have been hounded through the streets and beaten up for the same reason. I assure you, your ideology would feel very much at home there.

At the other side of the square things couldn't have been more different, you were bathed in colour and music and hugs and laughter, the place is full of friends dancing and dressed resplendent in whatever camp pretty things they felt like (images 2&3).

Ours was a crowd of locals; I strained to hear a Glasgow accent in yours.

Ours is a city that at short notice manages to fill the top of Buchanan Street (image 5) in solidarity with the queer community - the last time I saw it like this was during COP26. It's one that fills George Square in a candlelit vigil for Brianna Ghey.

Your movement has meant I'm called a pervert and a groomer while going about my average daily life. Our morally vacuous, increasingly fascist political class (thinking also of Magnus Hirschfeld and of Martin Niemöller's famous poem) is picking up what you've started and they're running with it. You may not call yourself a homophobe, a white nationalist or an antisemite, but you're sitting awfully comfortably considering that those that do find your movement incredibly attractive.

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GailBlancheViola · 27/02/2023 19:53

What, in the way that sex is a physical state while gender is a social construct that should be taken down? That sort of thing?

That's game, set, match and championship to you @SidewaysOtter.

TheShellBeach · 27/02/2023 19:56

Happylittlechicken · 27/02/2023 19:49

@Boiledbeetle ive got cheese on toast for tea!!, finally managed to get out and buy some cheese 😀😀😀

We had a steak pie.
With cheese, naturally.

Happylittlechicken · 27/02/2023 19:58

Steak pie with cheese!? I need to try that.

OneMorePlant · 27/02/2023 20:00

Why is this thread still up??

I reported the post for links with trackers. I posted about it in this thread.

I know the mods are active because multiple posts in this thread have been deleted. The thread in itself is just ridiculous and insulting and of no worth. No woman could have made such a post about trans activists.

Mods are you that eager to have women here tracked and doxed? Wtf?

ArabellaScott · 27/02/2023 20:01

OneMorePlant · 27/02/2023 20:00

Why is this thread still up??

I reported the post for links with trackers. I posted about it in this thread.

I know the mods are active because multiple posts in this thread have been deleted. The thread in itself is just ridiculous and insulting and of no worth. No woman could have made such a post about trans activists.

Mods are you that eager to have women here tracked and doxed? Wtf?

Yep

Vintagevixen · 27/02/2023 20:03

@invalide the northern lights are gonna be good tonight - go have a spiritual experience with them.

Oh no I forgot - nature/biology is transphobic!!!

SidewaysOtter · 27/02/2023 20:04

TheShellBeach · 27/02/2023 19:56

We had a steak pie.
With cheese, naturally.

Do you cook the pie with the cheese in it, or scatter the cheese on top afterwards? My mind is boggling!

nilsmousehammer · 27/02/2023 20:05

Inside! Steak and cheese pie is a Kiwi classic :) Blue cheese is fabulous.

TheBiologyStupid · 27/02/2023 20:08

Ereshkigalangcleg · 27/02/2023 19:53

finally managed to get out and buy some cheese

I am expecting to see tweets and breathless news articles about how "cheese has always been a trans symbol" and has been appropriated by bad women for the purposes of their transphobia.

"Edam" is a trans symbol because it's "made" wrong, or something...?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 27/02/2023 20:12

"Edam" is a trans symbol because it's "made" wrong, or something...?

That's perfect! Are you in the pay of Mermaids? Grin

Boiledbeetle · 27/02/2023 20:13

Happylittlechicken · 27/02/2023 19:49

@Boiledbeetle ive got cheese on toast for tea!!, finally managed to get out and buy some cheese 😀😀😀

Ooh give me give me give me give me!

I've fed the cats but haven't built up the energy yet to feed me.

Happylittlechicken · 27/02/2023 20:15

We need a mumsnet cheese transportation device..

Boiledbeetle · 27/02/2023 20:21

Ereshkigalangcleg · 27/02/2023 19:50

This thread reminds me of a poem I wrote last year after Evilbee told us to be polite whilst telling us off

I have some illuminating narc rage meltdowns from here (which I think were all ultimately deleted) filed as screenshots. Was that the Long Live the Penis poster or one of the several charming posters who wished we would all die?

#WomenWontWheesht

I can't remember exactly but i do remember him coming in and saying if a poster had questions she could go to trans spaces but to be polite. Then like a pub crawl i kept bumping into him on threads as he got more and more insulting before flouncing in a fit of pique!

TheShellBeach · 27/02/2023 20:24

Boiledbeetle · 27/02/2023 20:13

Ooh give me give me give me give me!

I've fed the cats but haven't built up the energy yet to feed me.

I've fed me, DH and the cats.
DH is washing up and mopping the floors.
I'm watching telly.
The cats are washing themselves on our bed.
The cheese has been returned to the fridge in anticipation of us having a late night snack

Boiledbeetle · 27/02/2023 20:25

littlbrowndog · 27/02/2023 19:52

Is it true that women are allowed to travel to listen to other women talking

what the bloody hell is going on ?

and some of them spoke in the wrong accent.

women nowadays. WATF.

thank god a dude came here to advise us how to behave 🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽

I know! It's disgusting that in 2023 women think they should have the right to leave the house alone without a male partner with them ensuring they are suitably behaved!

And as for conversing with other women and looking strangely at the interloper man in their midst! How very dare they.

Bloody uppity women!

Boiledbeetle · 27/02/2023 20:29

TheShellBeach · 27/02/2023 20:24

I've fed me, DH and the cats.
DH is washing up and mopping the floors.
I'm watching telly.
The cats are washing themselves on our bed.
The cheese has been returned to the fridge in anticipation of us having a late night snack

Well it is perfect late night snack food. Middle of the day snack food. Early morning snack food.

Wanders off to the kitchen to get a snack....

Ooh my sister has left her tiny little individually wrapped cheeses in my fridge!

Blessed! I feel blessed!

Happylittlechicken · 27/02/2023 20:31

Your sister is a saint @Boiledbeetle !

SidewaysOtter · 27/02/2023 20:31

Boiledbeetle · 27/02/2023 20:25

I know! It's disgusting that in 2023 women think they should have the right to leave the house alone without a male partner with them ensuring they are suitably behaved!

And as for conversing with other women and looking strangely at the interloper man in their midst! How very dare they.

Bloody uppity women!

I KNOW. And to think that last year some women even went out for lunch to discuss matters such as these, without previously having given notice, obtained permission etc…well, words fail me.

An astonishing state of affairs <hoiks bosom and sniffs disapprovingly>

Ereshkigalangcleg · 27/02/2023 20:33

They had wine. And I imagine there was cheese Shock

RedToothBrush · 27/02/2023 20:37

Unfortunately for them they ALL sound like the Chatbotthingy regurgitating a 2020 Social Justice Insta account mashed up with an extremely dull EDI training manual, as issued by fusty investment bank that desperately wants to look cool on this year’s corporate pride float.

Prize for comment of the thread

All utterly brainwashed and reading off The Other Script.

Men cheating on their wives are identifiable by the script. Trans women are identifiable by the sheer number of hits they get on Bewildernesses rules.

It's uncanny.

Speaking of uncanny. The concept of Uncanny valley is another way women can tell. We just 'know

EpicChaos · 27/02/2023 20:44

@Boiledbeetle
" BE POLITE IN OTHER PEOPLE'S SPACES
Be polite
YOU FUCKING TERF
Be polite
YOU BIGOT
Be polite
YOU CIS
Be polite
THESE HANDS DON'T DISCRIMINATE
Be polite
Be polite
NO FUCK OFF

Excellent poem, could be slightly improved with the use of a thrice struck ! key, i feel but the poem is definitely more powerful for it's simplicity.

@Happylittlechicken Re: cheese on toast. Maight One share Ones recipe with?...

  1. Toast both sides of slice of bread.
  2. cover one side of toast with ham - sling a couple of those squares of ham on it, they fit nicely.
  3. Place pineapple ring in the middle on top of the ham.
  4. Cover the toast with cheese squares.
  5. Cover completely with grated cheese.
  6. Put it under the grill until cheese is all melted and gooey. :-)
Helleofabore · 27/02/2023 20:46

nilsmousehammer · 27/02/2023 20:05

Inside! Steak and cheese pie is a Kiwi classic :) Blue cheese is fabulous.

I prefer an Aussie steak bacon and cheese.

sublime!

TangledUpinBlu · 27/02/2023 20:47

I've reported this thread for reasons mentioned above.
Women said no.
We will keep saying no.
Get used to it or don't, personally I don't care about men being sad at being told no.
Especially those would invade women's spaces, which this is.

Zodfa · 27/02/2023 20:47

Quite a good show from OP I thought, if I count correctly they managed a whole six posts before starting to threaten violence, a real positive example of the beautiful happy queer community in my opinion.

Happylittlechicken · 27/02/2023 20:48

EpicChaos · 27/02/2023 20:44

@Boiledbeetle
" BE POLITE IN OTHER PEOPLE'S SPACES
Be polite
YOU FUCKING TERF
Be polite
YOU BIGOT
Be polite
YOU CIS
Be polite
THESE HANDS DON'T DISCRIMINATE
Be polite
Be polite
NO FUCK OFF

Excellent poem, could be slightly improved with the use of a thrice struck ! key, i feel but the poem is definitely more powerful for it's simplicity.

@Happylittlechicken Re: cheese on toast. Maight One share Ones recipe with?...

  1. Toast both sides of slice of bread.
  2. cover one side of toast with ham - sling a couple of those squares of ham on it, they fit nicely.
  3. Place pineapple ring in the middle on top of the ham.
  4. Cover the toast with cheese squares.
  5. Cover completely with grated cheese.
  6. Put it under the grill until cheese is all melted and gooey. :-)

@EpicChaos i am so trying that! It sounds amazing!!

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