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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Experiences of a Trans Person

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invalide · 27/02/2023 16:11

I think it might be healthy to document here the experiences of someone from the other side, and for you to pay it some mind.

I'm an early-twenties STEM student working in renewable energies, and outside of my course I'm a photographer and musician. I've travelled a fair amount and adore my home country of Scotland. Living in Glasgow, I have found a queer community of beautiful people who create a joy to everyday life I treasure.

At the beginning of this month there was a 'Let Women Speak' rally held here that some of you here attended; I have seldom felt more unwelcome and stripped of dignity than while in your crowd, carrying out my photojournalistic duties (images 1&2). While capturing Kellie-Jay Keen pathologising my friends as subhuman perverts and members of the crowd flaunting their homophobia and their use of dogwhistles (subliminal far-right messaging) I was being brazenly looked up and down, receiving steely gazes and pursed lips and hushed whispers behind my back. While photographing the first speaker after Keen, who began her piece portraying autistic people as children devoid of agency, I was approached by one of you who made it clear I looked too queer for their liking and was squaring up for assault. I made my way out at this point (captured at 8:42 here and 9:09 here).
The atmosphere your movement brought to George Square was one I've only before experienced while documenting far-right rallies in Eastern Europe, where I have been hounded through the streets and beaten up for the same reason. I assure you, your ideology would feel very much at home there.

At the other side of the square things couldn't have been more different, you were bathed in colour and music and hugs and laughter, the place is full of friends dancing and dressed resplendent in whatever camp pretty things they felt like (images 2&3).

Ours was a crowd of locals; I strained to hear a Glasgow accent in yours.

Ours is a city that at short notice manages to fill the top of Buchanan Street (image 5) in solidarity with the queer community - the last time I saw it like this was during COP26. It's one that fills George Square in a candlelit vigil for Brianna Ghey.

Your movement has meant I'm called a pervert and a groomer while going about my average daily life. Our morally vacuous, increasingly fascist political class (thinking also of Magnus Hirschfeld and of Martin Niemöller's famous poem) is picking up what you've started and they're running with it. You may not call yourself a homophobe, a white nationalist or an antisemite, but you're sitting awfully comfortably considering that those that do find your movement incredibly attractive.

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TheShellBeach · 27/02/2023 17:34

SpudleyLass · 27/02/2023 17:32

He referred to them as ''gender based rights'' so I think we did, unfortunately, get a reply.

Never mind that neither gender identity nor ''gender'' are actually protected characteristics under the EQA 2010, unlike biological sex.

Exactly. Women fight for their sex-based rights and a man appears on MN and complains.

It was ever thus.

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 27/02/2023 17:34

Anyone want some Prosecco?

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Theeyeballsinthesky · 27/02/2023 17:35

but of course there are screenshots

SinnerBoy · 27/02/2023 17:35

While capturing Kellie-Jay Keen pathologising my friends as subhuman perverts.

This has never happened, why do you TRA zealots resort to such easily disprovable lies, in lieu of a factual argument?

So go back to those thousands of other threads calling me and the people I love perverted degenerates

Really? Could you link to some them, please? OR report them to MN HQ? Or just ignore the request and carry on trotting out the same bullshit.

Squared up to assault me...

Yeah, right. Nowhere to be seen and you weren't assaulted, unlike numerous women at this and similar events.

TheShellBeach · 27/02/2023 17:36

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 27/02/2023 17:34

Anyone want some Prosecco?

Aperol Spritz please.

On plenty of ice.

lifeturnsonadime · 27/02/2023 17:36

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 27/02/2023 17:34

Anyone want some Prosecco?

Yes with a side of cheese please!

Delphinium20 · 27/02/2023 17:36

Novel writing would complement the OP's creative endeavors in photography. The romance genre in particular relies on exaggeratedly emotive language, which OP has dedicatedly shown off here. Any Mills and Boon acquiring editors on the thread take notice - you may have your newest bestseller!

Thanks for the entertainment!!!

TheShellBeach · 27/02/2023 17:36

lifeturnsonadime · 27/02/2023 17:36

Yes with a side of cheese please!

Lots and lots of cheese!

Bring it on.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 27/02/2023 17:37

All the cheese.

Babdoc · 27/02/2023 17:37

If OP had bothered to pay attention to, quote: “the first speaker after KJK who portrayed autistics as children” - they would have heard that she actually IS autistic herself and was protesting the inappropriate treatment of autistic children at clinics like the Sandyford and Tavistock.
FYI, OP, that was my daughter - and before you try to accuse her of being “far right”, she is the Women’s Officer for the Edinburgh branch of the Communist Party.
Perhaps you could actually do some research before posting your ill informed nonsense.

IcakethereforeIam · 27/02/2023 17:37

So much cheese!

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 27/02/2023 17:37

TheShellBeach · 27/02/2023 17:36

Aperol Spritz please.

On plenty of ice.

Now you’re talking

bignosebignose · 27/02/2023 17:37

Scotland is a country that accepts people , promotes human rights and acceptance . Bigotry has no place here

Polls on this subject show Scots to be very like English people, horrifying though that may be. Same with a whole range of topics covered in social attitudes surveys.

The specifics of the recent Bill were unpopular even before Sturgeon started trying to play the "he's not really trans but I can't say that so I'll witter on and call you all bigots" card about that "Isla" Bryson character.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 27/02/2023 17:38

Well done to your daughter, @Babdoc!

MrsMorton · 27/02/2023 17:38

Babdoc · 27/02/2023 17:37

If OP had bothered to pay attention to, quote: “the first speaker after KJK who portrayed autistics as children” - they would have heard that she actually IS autistic herself and was protesting the inappropriate treatment of autistic children at clinics like the Sandyford and Tavistock.
FYI, OP, that was my daughter - and before you try to accuse her of being “far right”, she is the Women’s Officer for the Edinburgh branch of the Communist Party.
Perhaps you could actually do some research before posting your ill informed nonsense.

I bloody love this. I'm absolutely no communist but this erosion of women's rights spans the political spectrum in a way that gives us strength in depth the MRAs could only dream of.

DanseAvecLesLoup · 27/02/2023 17:39

Melroses · 27/02/2023 17:32

You are 140? Shock

All a bit Highlander-ish.

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 27/02/2023 17:39

BoreOfWhabylon · 27/02/2023 17:32

Are you Mridul Wadwha?

Now I want to make a Guess Who? board featuring famous transactivists.

They’d all be over accessorised, like Claire

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lifeturnsonadime · 27/02/2023 17:39

Babdoc · 27/02/2023 17:37

If OP had bothered to pay attention to, quote: “the first speaker after KJK who portrayed autistics as children” - they would have heard that she actually IS autistic herself and was protesting the inappropriate treatment of autistic children at clinics like the Sandyford and Tavistock.
FYI, OP, that was my daughter - and before you try to accuse her of being “far right”, she is the Women’s Officer for the Edinburgh branch of the Communist Party.
Perhaps you could actually do some research before posting your ill informed nonsense.

She was amazing, and right, I'm the mother of two autistic children. It's horrendous that genderism is claiming the fertility of so many vulnerable autistic people.

The claim that questioning this is opposing agency is beyond vile.

RinklyRomaine · 27/02/2023 17:40

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invalide · 27/02/2023 17:40

Mum23amazingkids · 27/02/2023 17:14

I honestly applaud your post , your photos and your testimony . I’m tired of the anti trans brigade and their hate and their bigotry . For over 14 decades I dealt with women’s rights directly and indirectly and represented them . I’ve never in those 14 years had a woman come to me with anything even related to trans women affecting their rights or fear of trans women . Im sure a tinny minority had some sort of issue at a stage , I’m not denying it , but is this worthy of taking away rights to a whole community? Of promoting hate ? Of constantly harassing an already under attack minority ? Absolutely not .
Trans people , men , women , I don’t care have as much rights to be protected under our laws as anyone else .
Seeing this almost “ far right “ like as you describe so well , protests in Scotland is actually scary . Scotland is a country that accepts people , promotes human rights and acceptance . Bigotry has no place here

Thanks very much, it got exactly the ill-thought through bile you can only expect on here and I'm sorry your reply is getting dogpiled too, I absolutely agree.

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Helleofabore · 27/02/2023 17:40

Blimey! What a thread!

IcakethereforeIam · 27/02/2023 17:40

No @DanseAvecLesLoup , the Highlander can be only one.

TheBiologyStupid · 27/02/2023 17:40

SpudleyLass · 27/02/2023 17:15

You spent over 14 years dealing with women's rights and still don't understand that we have the right and need, for single sex provision?

I must admit, I do zone out a bit at work too, but that seems a bit extreme

😂

Ereshkigalangcleg · 27/02/2023 17:41

They’d all be over accessorised, like Claire

Claire just needs some more excitingly coloured hair and she'd fit right in.

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