Let Women Speak Sunday 26th Feb 23

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It’s going on now, I started watching when the woman with the suffragette scarf sitting in the wheelchair did her speech. Really moving.

SinnerBoy ·

So, if I wander down the high street on a Friday night, chanting, "Kill the Scousers, they're all cunts," you'd have to wait for someone from Liverpool to complain, before detaining me under Section 5?
When did that all change?

You will still need someone to show that a member of the public have been harassed, alarmed or distressed by it.

ExiledElsie

Did you ID the person responsible at the time to the police?
Was the crime recorded and how was it concluded?

If you ID'd the person at the time for a specific offence it could have been followed up for that offence later - vol interviews etc

There is never enough police to cover these evens - unfortunately, we don't have unlimited resources.

ExiledElsie
I am worried you are right. It's incredibly frustrating. It's why the police need to do their job properly, before it gets out of hand.

Well said - this is what i have being saying all along on both threads.

A complaint has been made and the police should investigate that complaint.

‘Which device’? You mean the amplification ‘device‘ being used right in front of the police and the banners and flags , that are against the park’s code.

I brought it up with the police man standing directly in front of me and was told that they wanted to ‘balance’ the ‘protesting groups’ so they left them using it.

I also pointed out that we were women, coming here to meet and to talk about our experiences under this tree as we have done once a month for over a year or two now. No protesting at all.

Yes. Those protestors were allowed to intimidate and silence women who were conducting themselves lawfully and respectful of the laws of the park. I heard several other women up the line as the police men in front of them exactly the same questions I asked.

And they were all told that a senior officer knew it was happening, acknowledged it was illegal but chose not to do anything about it.

Was that the ‘device’ you were asking about?

I'll hazard a guess that Felix won't see any issue with that Helle.

Jesus fucking Christ it's lIke pulling teeth with you @Felix125

Baker was using a megaphone, which is not allowed in the place where it was being used, the Police there on the day know this. The Police there on the day, more thaN one of them, were asked to stop Baker using that device you know as it is not allowed in that place, the Police did not, the Police are not blind and deaf (or maybe they are) they could see and hear Baker, Baker was committing an offence, the Police did not act, the excuse was something along the lines of we don't want to cause any more issues.

I can fucking guarantee that if ANY of the women at the event so much as had a megaphone in their possession they would have found themselves in the back of a Police van before they could blink, their feet wouldn't have touched the ground.

All the women there abided by the law regarding the use of megaphones/amplification devices ONE PERSON DID NOT and that one person is a male and a member of the sacred trans caste which the Police treat with kid gloves.

This is NOT Policing fairly, without fear or favour and NOTHING YOU SAY WILL MAKE IT SO. Police there on the day turned a bind eye to the offence Baker was committing because they are too bloody cowardly or too bloody captured by GI Ideology.

Helleofabore
Is this a local by-law - and if so what powers are attached to it?

Why don't YOU do some investigating and find out @Felix125 ?

The police man I asked about why these protestors were allowed to be so close to us, asked me if I was ‘intimidated’. I pointed out the two women beside me were visibly shaking. And I could feel them shaking holding their hands. I pointed out that not one of us was yelling. We were quietly standing there holding hands.

While we were yelled at by very young protesters, in masks, carrying signs and singing about terfs bleeding.

Yes, of fucking course we were fucking intimidated! I, of course, was very polite. But what the actual fuck.

GailBlancheViola
Because you are the one who is saying that its an offence
What offence are you referring to?

Felix

It is Hyde Park speakers corner , I suggest if you are interested you might look it up.

It looks like Baker, or someone who wants to pretend to be Baker, was on this thread overnight to continue intimidating women.

The police man I asked about why these protestors were allowed to be so close to us, asked me if I was ‘intimidated’. I pointed out the two women beside me were visibly shaking. And I could feel them shaking holding their hands. I pointed out that not one of us was yelling. We were quietly standing there holding hands.

While we were yelled at by very young protesters, in masks, carrying signs and singing about terfs bleeding.

Yes, of fucking course we were fucking intimidated! I, of course, was very polite. But what the actual fuck.

That's outrageous. Why was he asking, idle curiosity?

Helleofabore

Quick google:

Speakers’ Corner is active throughout the year.
It is untrue that those at Speakers’ Corner have any sort of legal protection. At Speakers’ Corner one enjoys the same legal freedoms as anywhere else in the UK and you can be arrested for breaking the law
As far as our research could establish, there are no rules regarding any of the following;
the audience must stand two feet from the speaker,
audience members shouldn’t interrupt the speaker,
use of megaphones.

Felix125 · Today 12:22

You will still need someone to show that a member of the public have been harassed, alarmed or distressed by it.

So, in all those Night Police programmes, when the cop says, "OK Kevin, one more swear word and you're nicked!" and Kevin says, "Fuck's sake!" and goes in the van, that's all wrong, is it?

What are they arrested for D&D
Are they public around them at the time - night time economy?

Helleofabore · Today 12:38

The police man I asked about why these protestors were allowed to be so close to us, asked me if I was ‘intimidated’. I pointed out the two women beside me were visibly shaking.

And yet he did nothing? Not even say, "Sorry, there's not enough of us, keep close and I'll watch him." Is it on film? I'm just wondering if it's worth making a complaint. I'm assuming that there's enough to make one about Mr. Megaphone Lifer.

I don’t know why he asked me that eresh

Ereshkigalangcleg

Did the police move the people back or did they stand in between you?

Can you identify an individual person to the police as directly causing you harassment, alarm, distress?

If so, then yes this should have been investigated.

Was it crimed and if so, what was the outcome to it?

And where is that from Felix?

SinnerBoy

And yet he did nothing? Not even say, "Sorry, there's not enough of us, keep close and I'll watch him." Is it on film? I'm just wondering if it's worth making a complaint. I'm assuming that there's enough to make one about Mr. Megaphone Lifer.

Absolutely - if nothing was done, make a complaint

If a crime has been reported, then it should be investigated. - I've been saying this all along.

Helleofabore

Sorry - its Google.
Its an internet search engine

speakerscornerreference.wordpress.com/information-for-attending-speakers-corner/

Did the police move the people back or did they stand in between you?

I wasn't actually there. Please read posts more carefully.

Your Wordpress blog isn't a particularly reliable source, Felix. The Royal parks are covered by legislation:

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1997/1639/regulation/4/made

(10) use any apparatus for the transmission, reception, reproduction or amplification of sound, speech or images, except apparatus designed and used as an aid to defective hearing, or apparatus used in a vehicle so as not to produce sound audible to a person outside that vehicle, or apparatus used where the sound is received through headphones;

The policing was awful Felix. You are free to disagree, but this thread isn't actually your AMA. Other people are allowed to have different views, particularly people who were there and feel let down by the police in this case, and all the many others.