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Autistic teen told to call male TA “Mx” & not “Sir” or “Mr *name*

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BethDuttonsTwin · 24/02/2023 16:51

This happened to dd this morning at school. She then came out of school at told me she no longer wants one to one help in her lessons - her EHCP says 25 hours a week. It’s too difficult to remember what to call him and she’s embarrassed she will get it wrong in front of the other students.

What now? I want to make a formal complaint. Am raging tbh. Can someone tell me who I need to be contacting please? The school are totally woke and rainbow soaked. Thank you.

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Nimbostratus100 · 24/02/2023 22:08

Anactor · 24/02/2023 22:05

You have a child here with communication difficulties who suddenly comes home and doesn’t want to work with her one-to-one TA - and as a professional teacher, your response is ‘perfectly normal interaction, nothing to see here.’

What?

It may be that this is simply a case of an autistic child struggling with an entirely new social situation - but the reaction suggests that the TA may not have managed that new social situation very well, which raises doubts about their ability to assist very autistic children.

It’s also a safeguarding situation, because a child with communication difficulties might not be able to explain (or understand) why she’s so anxious, and instead latch on to something she can explain.

Saying ‘the title isn’t an issue that’s ever going to go away’ is really the sort of attitude that might have caused the problem in the first place. It really doesn’t matter how many people use Mx - if it’s the first time this child has heard it.

Then she needs to get used to it, same with any other name she has heard for the first time. This is just such a non issue - you are talking about a child not liking someone's name!

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 24/02/2023 22:09

Somanyquestionstoaskaboutthis · 24/02/2023 22:03

When I stop having so many questions to ask Elephantweezle could be a good name choice. May well be several years away though

I’m going to suggest it as newfangled appendage rather than a title. A gender neutral alternative to ‘esquire’…

Mx TA Genderspecial, Elephantweezle.

Ofcourseshecan · 24/02/2023 22:09

Nimbostratus100: I just don't understand the hatred and rage on this thread

The moment you use the word ‘hate’ to describe differences of opinion, you put yourself as an zealot and invalidate your argument.

BlackeyedSusan · 24/02/2023 22:10

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 24/02/2023 21:33

I wouldn’t mind what title an autistic teen used for me - because I’m not a precious dickhead 🤷‍♀️

Welllllll......

<Whispers>

Perhaps not "fucking cunt"

On the plus side it is an improvement. But still a work in progress <sigh>

(See Newbold Hope, by Yvonne Newbold for realities of autistic and other sn kids)

WomaninBoots · 24/02/2023 22:10

Nothing to do with not liking a name. Everything to do with understanding that a child is unacceptably anxious because of some prick thinks he's fucking special and needs it affirming BY A CHILD. She knows she'll be in bother if she gets it wrong... THAT'S WHY SHE'S SCARED.

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 24/02/2023 22:10

Ive certainly seen it in passports, of several nationalities

Did you see them in an episode from series 9 of Dallas? Because that was all Pamela's dream!

Nimbostratus100 · 24/02/2023 22:11

Ofcourseshecan · 24/02/2023 22:09

Nimbostratus100: I just don't understand the hatred and rage on this thread

The moment you use the word ‘hate’ to describe differences of opinion, you put yourself as an zealot and invalidate your argument.

nonsense, this whole thread is literally spitting hate fuelled rage at a man because you don't like his name! With no idea at all what, if anything, he has done to upset the pupil.

You can't support a pupil in refusing to work with an adult because you don't like his name, you need to get a grip

ReadersD1gest · 24/02/2023 22:12

Nimbostratus100 · 24/02/2023 22:08

Then she needs to get used to it, same with any other name she has heard for the first time. This is just such a non issue - you are talking about a child not liking someone's name!

you are talking about a child not liking someone's name!
No, we are not 🤯. Doesn't your severe lack of comprehension skills cause you problems in the teaching profession?
I imagine it doesn't do your pupils much good.

WomaninBoots · 24/02/2023 22:12

Is this absolute fool a teacher?

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 24/02/2023 22:13

Nimbostratus100 · 24/02/2023 22:08

Then she needs to get used to it, same with any other name she has heard for the first time. This is just such a non issue - you are talking about a child not liking someone's name!

I'm going to scream.

Are you on glue? How are you claiming to be a teacher when you can't keep words like title and name straight?

Ofcourseshecan · 24/02/2023 22:13

Ofcourseshecan · 24/02/2023 22:09

Nimbostratus100: I just don't understand the hatred and rage on this thread

The moment you use the word ‘hate’ to describe differences of opinion, you put yourself as an zealot and invalidate your argument.

you OUT yourself as a zealot and invalidate your argument

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 24/02/2023 22:13

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 24/02/2023 22:10

Ive certainly seen it in passports, of several nationalities

Did you see them in an episode from series 9 of Dallas? Because that was all Pamela's dream!

Deffo didn’t see it in a UK passport (unless Nimbus scribbled it in Nimbusself with a biro?)

Boiledbeetlesaurus · 24/02/2023 22:13

ArabellaScott · 24/02/2023 22:00

But ... WHAT ABOUT IF YOURE THE KING?!

Does the King (god i still can't get used to that) need a passport?

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 24/02/2023 22:14

WomaninBoots · 24/02/2023 22:12

Is this absolute fool a teacher?

Identifies as a teacher.

ReadersD1gest · 24/02/2023 22:14

Ofcourseshecan · 24/02/2023 22:09

Nimbostratus100: I just don't understand the hatred and rage on this thread

The moment you use the word ‘hate’ to describe differences of opinion, you put yourself as an zealot and invalidate your argument.

Yep, any dissent is immediately reframed as hate. It can be a useful shorthand in recognising who you're dealing with, though.

ReadersD1gest · 24/02/2023 22:14

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 24/02/2023 22:13

Deffo didn’t see it in a UK passport (unless Nimbus scribbled it in Nimbusself with a biro?)

Or a crayon.

Nimbostratus100 · 24/02/2023 22:15

ReadersD1gest · 24/02/2023 22:12

you are talking about a child not liking someone's name!
No, we are not 🤯. Doesn't your severe lack of comprehension skills cause you problems in the teaching profession?
I imagine it doesn't do your pupils much good.

yes you are, if he HAS done something to upset her, then deal with that, but there is absolutely no indication here at all that he has done anything other than introduce himself, and the child has somehow taken offense and the mother is literally raging at the school because she doesn't like his NAME!

It is a completely normal title that has been around for decades, all over the world, and is becoming more normal

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 24/02/2023 22:16

I have got my passport down now. Can confirm that it conforms to HM Passport Office regs and hence has no title for me.

It has my name, my sex, nationality, date of birth and a truly awful photo of me. No title!

ReadersD1gest · 24/02/2023 22:17

Nimbostratus100 · 24/02/2023 22:15

yes you are, if he HAS done something to upset her, then deal with that, but there is absolutely no indication here at all that he has done anything other than introduce himself, and the child has somehow taken offense and the mother is literally raging at the school because she doesn't like his NAME!

It is a completely normal title that has been around for decades, all over the world, and is becoming more normal

Mx is NOT HIS FUCKING NAME.
What is actually the matter with you? Being happy to make such a bloody fool of yourself is worrying.

MichelleScarn · 24/02/2023 22:17

nonsense, this whole thread is literally spitting hate fuelled rage at a man because you don't like his name! With no idea at all what, if anything, he has done to upset the pupil.
Honestly give over with the faux wide eyed 'he doesn't know what he's done to upset the pupil'. He's complaining she won't honour his self directed Mx ness, and is the one who's made an issue of it. If he accepted any mistakes as a mistake we wouldn't bloody be here with @BethDuttonsTwin having a stressed and unhappy child!!

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 24/02/2023 22:17

Boiledbeetlesaurus · 24/02/2023 22:13

Does the King (god i still can't get used to that) need a passport?

No.
Well, he does have one, leftover from when he was Prince of Wales, but he doesn’t need one as King, because technically he issues all our passports!

Autistic teen told to call male  TA “Mx” &  not “Sir” or “Mr *name*
Boiledbeetlesaurus · 24/02/2023 22:17

Nimbostratus100 · 24/02/2023 22:08

Then she needs to get used to it, same with any other name she has heard for the first time. This is just such a non issue - you are talking about a child not liking someone's name!

No we are talking about AN AUTISTIC CHILD HAVING A MELTDOWN because something in her world is out of her control, understanding, whatever! And your response is get over it?

You would be guilty of disability discrimination if you are a teacher.

Nimbostratus100 · 24/02/2023 22:18

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 24/02/2023 22:16

I have got my passport down now. Can confirm that it conforms to HM Passport Office regs and hence has no title for me.

It has my name, my sex, nationality, date of birth and a truly awful photo of me. No title!

well, I dont have a uk passport, and the title in my passport is Miss, but it could have been Mx if I had wanted it to be, and I think in most passports you can put a title if you want

WomaninBoots · 24/02/2023 22:18

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 24/02/2023 22:14

Identifies as a teacher.

The goddess help us all.

ArabellaScott · 24/02/2023 22:18

spitting hate fuelled rage need to calm down.

Mate, don't be so silly. I think maybe YOU need to calm down.

Curious where all this mixy passports were from, though - do tell us more?