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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

I have absolutely seen it all!

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thirdistheonewiththehairychest · 23/02/2023 14:22

www.modibodi.co.uk/products/pride-longline-short-light-moderate-hand-multi-print

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Cailin66 · 24/02/2023 06:52

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 23/02/2023 17:22

You can thank me later
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How do they attach them?

Transparent2 · 24/02/2023 12:33

Cailin66 · 24/02/2023 06:52

How do they attach them?

Superglue?

Pixiedust1234 · 24/02/2023 12:41

There are certain things I regret asking in this life. Asking wtf a packer is ranks high 😳

Righthandcider · 24/02/2023 16:49

RedAndBlueStripedGolfingUmbrella · 23/02/2023 23:36

This.
Meh, each to their own.
I don't need or want one of those but why shouldn't trans men have them if it makes them more comfortable?
Chocolate and wine and big pants makes mine more comfortable, if these make someone else more comfortable, that's a good thing, surely?!

I don't think anyone is saying people shouldn't have whatever makes them comfortable.

But this isn't about 'each to their own'. It's about messages in advertising, about influence. Most of us think we're immune to advertising because we can consciously dismiss it, but our subconscious minds absolutely are influenced, especially when we're young.

Not so long ago there was a scandal around the fashion industry featuring size zero models, literally making money while 'modelling' anorexia to young women, some of whom went down a path they would never have otherwise been led down.

Here we have a business whose purpose is to make money via sales in the short term and via bolstering their brand in the long term – for example by flashing their inclusivity credentials at the younger generation, who after all, are going to be their most lucrative market because they will be buying period products for many years to come.

These are the people they're targeting. And if one single girl sees this and thinks, "How great, how inclusive, how kind, and I'm a bit uncomfortable in my body, or a bit gender non conforming, or think I'm gay," and if this smiling trans model helps to push her down a path of mutilation and medicalisation with who knows what long term effects on her health, even if it's just one single girl, then fuck that.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 24/02/2023 17:46

RedAndBlueStripedGolfingUmbrella · 23/02/2023 23:36

This.
Meh, each to their own.
I don't need or want one of those but why shouldn't trans men have them if it makes them more comfortable?
Chocolate and wine and big pants makes mine more comfortable, if these make someone else more comfortable, that's a good thing, surely?!

It's not the person or their presentation I object to. It's the undefining of woman as a sex class, which I object to because it unavoidably requires social and political erasure of the female experience and the invalidation of female voices.

In short, the picture doesn't bother me. The framing of this person as Not a Woman and of periods as things that happen to A Random and Undefinable Group of People does. I believe it diminishes and damages all of us, so I think very little of brands that are happy to partake in erasing the female voice to sell a few pants.

Bergamotte · 24/02/2023 19:20

BloodyHellKen · 23/02/2023 20:38

The last photo is the best with what looks like a giant woman and a tiny girl-man 😂
What I don't understand is if the girl identifies as a man then why hasn't she had a mastectomy?

That photo does look like some sort of trick perspective!
In some other pictures Oscar's tattoo of a zombie unicorn, with lots of red blood dripping from its mouth, did make me look twice (seemed like the period pants might not be very effective). But of course something catching your interest like that is probably what they want when advertising.

But to your question: Carolina (the model without a masectomy) makes no claims to identify as a man.

ElonsMusky · 24/02/2023 21:20

ReadersD1gest · 23/02/2023 18:53

How can there not be a market for feminine hygiene products? There always has been, long before we weren't allowed to call ourselves women 🤦🏼‍♀️

I think you completely misunderstood my post.

Also, pretty sure we're allowed to call ourselves women.

ReadersD1gest · 24/02/2023 21:34

ElonsMusky · 24/02/2023 21:20

I think you completely misunderstood my post.

Also, pretty sure we're allowed to call ourselves women.

I don't think I've misunderstood anything.

How many people needing to use period protection denied themselves that luxury before these type of ads?
Precisely none, I'll bet.
The market remains the same. Biological women who have a period every month. No matter what they're calling themselves.

Baaaaaa · 25/02/2023 00:16

ElonsMusky · 24/02/2023 21:20

I think you completely misunderstood my post.

Also, pretty sure we're allowed to call ourselves women.

We can self id as laydees. But when trying to target women as a biological group it is: Menstruators, People with a cervix, menopausal people, pregnant people, birthing partners or just avoiding the word altogether.

Not so with men.

I do think that has eased off a bit of late, maybe peak madness has passed, but some people have a short memory.

BabyStopCryin · 25/02/2023 10:56

Available in woman’s sizes I see.

Always4Brenner · 25/02/2023 15:07

DobbyTheHouseElk · 23/02/2023 21:30

Everyone seems to be buying period pants these days. Trans women wear them too apparently. I feel sad for the bio woman who actually has to deal with this shit for real. Not in a imagined way, who has enough trouble dealing with cramps and pain, flooding and the shitty end of being female. Without wondering where the pecker, real or plastic will fit.

Tell me about it my first six years of periods were hell every three weeks and the pain, then 10 months utter hell with pains with a coil do any trans women want to swap places with that kind of agony? No thought not.

BloodyHellKen · 27/02/2023 09:53

Bergamotte · 24/02/2023 19:20

That photo does look like some sort of trick perspective!
In some other pictures Oscar's tattoo of a zombie unicorn, with lots of red blood dripping from its mouth, did make me look twice (seemed like the period pants might not be very effective). But of course something catching your interest like that is probably what they want when advertising.

But to your question: Carolina (the model without a masectomy) makes no claims to identify as a man.

@Bergamotte I'm really confused now 😂
If Oscar is the tiny girl-man that's the one I am talking about not having a mastectomy, not the giant woman (? Carolina?). Or to put it in a different way neither person in that photo has had a mastectomy but if one identifies as a man (the small one) you would think they would have had a mastectomy.

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