KJK opposing fertility treatment for gay couples

[SapphosRock]

KJK seems to have an ongoing beef with same sex couples having fertility treatment. Why? How is this benefiting women's rights?

Is is definitely not benefiting lesbian rights.

It also appears to be attracting all the homophobes on Twitter.

Because they will have to use a surrogate.

Gay men that is. Not sure what her problem with lesbians is.

We’ve done this to death already, haven’t we?

Lots of us disagree with Big Fertility and think it’s bad for women as a class.

That some women benefit from it personally does not make Big Fertility good for women.

Isn't she just saying that it isn't a fertility issue?

That I get.

Two lesbians having IUI or IVF is totally different and is a fertility issue.

Straight couples with male factor infertility get fertility treatment on the NHS, therefore lesbians should get this too. I can't see how anyone who claims to support women's rights would oppose this.

Same sex relationships not resulting in the birth of a child isn't infertility, though, is it?

Yes it is. It is not being able to conceive as a couple.

Ditch it for the straight men too then.

Two women wouldn’t have to use a surrogate, unless both women had fertility issues which eg prevented them from ovulating or subsequently gestating a baby.

On the face of it, her statement is entirely factual. Same sex couples can’t conceive unless a third party is involved somewhere in the process. Either via sperm donation or egg donation and surrogacy.

It's not about being fertile tho, is it?

People who use a surrogate are starting to call it fertility treatment.

Can you post a link to the tweet?

It is just nothing to do with the fertility of either woman, just that in order to use a sperm donor they will need to go through a medical procedure. That it comes under fertility treatment in clinics is just because usually this treatment is needed because of male factor inferility (ie infertility of the father) - you wouldn't call the mother infertile in those circumstances.

I read it as a statement of fact.

It isn't infertility and it is disingenuous to say so. A single human isn't infertile either.

Absolutely right. Calling it a fertility issue changes the way it 'sounds' to elicit sympathy and empathy that might not be felt if it wasn't described that way. Especially in the case of gay men who need to exploit a woman's fertility to create a child.

The language we use to discuss these issues is so important.

Link:

twitter.com/theposieparker/status/1628387924453588992?s=46&t=6S8_PlcRdOundDWlBm1uFg

This is nonsense. If I try to turn on my hoover without plugging it in, my hoover isn't broken, it's missing the thing it needs to start working. Two women aren't infertile, they are missing the sperm they need to get pregnant.

She doesn't say she opposes anything in the tweet you have posted.

She is stating the fact that a same sex couple cannot procreate even if they are fertile - hence it's not a fertility issue.

I don't know if she said anything else in this topic, but based on that tweet you are making allegations that are erroneous.

But two women can’t conceive as a couple because they both produce the same ‘half’ of the necessary starting material. There’s nothing ‘wrong’ with either of them, it’s just ….biology.

If you want purple, you have to mix blue and red. If both of you only have a red paint pot, you can’t get purple ( you will have to outsource the blue🥶)

It’s is not a fertility problem, it’s a reality problem, and I guess KJK is fed up with reality problems.

We're going to have to agree to disagree on that.

This lesbian in the replies is based:

I agree that clear language is important. Apart from anything else, lesbian couples using IVF are far more likely to have positive outcomes as many of them won't have fertility problems.

As someone who had severe fertility problems, I think lumping IVF that's necessary as a woman does not have a male spouse (also applies to single women) is entirely different to IVF because a woman has been unable to conceive, has a medical problem, and it is not helpful to either group to conflate the two.

I'd be interested to know how old this tweet is and the rest of the thread, I suspect it may be deliberately being taken out of context.

This is nonsense. If I try to turn on my hoover without plugging it in, my hoover isn't broken, it's missing the thing it needs to start working. Two women aren't infertile, they are missing the sperm they need to get pregnant.

Exactly this.

Of course, it's not a fertility issue.

If you're infertile, you're infertile whether in a relationship with the same sex or the opposite sex.

This is just another reason to bash KJK.

Sapphos what you are saying is really offensive to women with medical fertility problems. The lesbians I know (who successfully had IVF with a pregnancy every time - 100% success rate - i.e. not infertile) would agree. They know the grief I went through having 10x ivf with no babies at the end of it.

You're just looking for anything (unsuccessfully might I add) to smear KJK with - it says a lot more about you than her.

KJK is 100% correct