KJK opposing fertility treatment for gay couples

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KJK seems to have an ongoing beef with same sex couples having fertility treatment. Why? How is this benefiting women's rights?

Is is definitely not benefiting lesbian rights.

It also appears to be attracting all the homophobes on Twitter.

Isn’t Posie Parker just being factual here? Two men or two women TTC may individually or both have fertility issues (just like anyone else may have fertility issues)- but the same-sex couple TTC permanent lack of ability to conceive is more of a social or situational form of infertility. It is not automatically a medical form of infertility. Though a same-sex couple may of course have that challenge too.

Because Sapphos is one of the real feminists™ who keep a list of all of KJK's crimes. She contributes her distain for KJK on every thread where the woman is mentioned but today she appears to have had time to trawl social media for "evidence" of further crimes.

In short this is yet another, very boring, KJK hate thread. I swear her haters spend far more time thinking about her than I do and I'm full of admiration for her.

By ''fertility treatment'' do you actually mean surrogacy?

Good job the NHS doesn’t then, isn’t it! The law dictates that any donor child in the UK (NHS or private) can access details of their donor when they turn 18.

Through a clinic, before anybody jumps on me to point out private deals can obviously break the rules.

Lesbians can also have fertility issues. Please see my five miscarriages.

KJK is just being factual but the Tweet is extremely tone deaf to all the lesbians who have taken out huge loans and remortgaged their houses to be able to afford fertility treatment while straight couples are routinely offered it for free.

Not being able to conceive with the person you love is very much a fertility issue.

And no it's not just a case of finding a sperm donor and a syringe, it is a lot more complex than that.

If a woman's husband had no sperm would she just pop out and find a donor and a syringe? Or would they seek proper medical fertility assistance.

lesbian couples getting IVF or IUI with donated sperm is totally ok.

gay men being able to enter into entirely voluntary arrangements with women who just want to be a surrogate as a charitable act is also ok.

offensive, wrong and rightly illegal in the uk is the commodification of women's bodies into a paid enslavement arrangement. any payment is unacceptable coercion. it is akin to rape and no kind of bought-consent can be freely made and therefore valid.

Yep. I welcomed that change in the law.

Still, there is a whole childhood & adolescence to get through before that info can be accessed.

If a child has grown up experiencing genealogical bewilderment I don’t think a name on a paper at the age of 18 will undo it?

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genealogical_bewilderment

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while straight couples are routinely offered it for free

I think you are overestimating what the NHS actually funds.

Nothing ‘routine’ about it.

Being tone deaf isn't a crime.

You're being tone deaf to infertile women Sapphos but as one of those I'm not going to create an entire thread berating you about it.

In short this is yet another, very boring, KJK hate thread. I swear her haters spend far more time thinking about her than I do and I'm full of admiration for her.
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KJK is, as usual, completely correct. She is simply stating a basic fact.

If someone manages to take offense at this, it is very much a problem with them and not her!

Oh and also the NHS DOES NOT just give out IVF for free. You have no idea what you're talking about.

Sooo tempting to say 'educate yourself'.

I think you'll find straight couples with infertility spend a lot more money on IVF than lesbian couples. How many of my 10x ivf failures do you think the NHS funded, Sapphos?

That’s not infertility 😂 Two men can be perfectly fertile and still not make a baby together, because thats nature. It’s the same reason a sock doesn’t get pregnant every time a man wanks into one!

Two women having a baby isn't a fertility issue. It's not having the right gametes.

But nice attempt at trying to make our KJK is homophobic 🙄

So you're now manoeuvring from 'taking a swipe at lesbians' to 'tone deaf'?

It would be helpful Sapphos if you could tell us where you're going with this thread because 1) I've already spent far too long on social media for one day and 2) your analogy with infertility is seriously pissing me off.

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What is KJK trying to achieve? That is what I genuinely want to know.

Because looking at that Tweet all she has achieved is bringing all the homophobes to the yard.

I would also like to point out though, that using donor eggs is exploiting women's bodies also.

I am still not sure where I stand on sperm.

I do support that a child who has a biological parent that is unknown to them should have the capacity to contact that parent in the future though. And that if possible, a 'sperm donor' has some kind of relationship with there child.

The testimonies of children of adoption, and donor situations have told us this should be carefully considered.

Why don't you ask her? It may be in relation to something that has been posted about her, or an accusation, or even just a topical news item.

Sapphos, if you want to know what KJK thinks go onto Twitter and ask her. Posting here about it is manipulative. You know she is banned, and no one here is her mouthpiece.

If a woman's husband had no sperm would she just pop out and find a donor and a syringe? Or would they seek proper medical fertility assistance.

I would imagine that once they have discovered the cause of the infertility they would consider their options and take least complicated route to conception, for some that will be donor sperm.

The WHO define infertility as follows:
‘Infertility is a disease of the male or female reproductive system defined by the failure to achieve a pregnancy after 12 months or more of regular unprotected sexual intercourse.’

Lesbians couples cannot reproduce without the assistance of a male, but its not as a result of disease.