KJK opposing fertility treatment for gay couples

[SapphosRock]

KJK seems to have an ongoing beef with same sex couples having fertility treatment. Why? How is this benefiting women's rights?

Is is definitely not benefiting lesbian rights.

It also appears to be attracting all the homophobes on Twitter.

I'd say IVF with no fertility issues isn't fertility treatment it's sperm donation.

Why Tweet about it at all? Seems like KJK taking a swipe at lesbians. The comments are certainly very anti-lesbian.

She Tweeted it this afternoon.

I genuinely don't get what's supposed to be wrong with this tweet?

It's factually incorrect, nothing homophobic about it.

The plug and hoover analogy is perfect.

It's factually incorrect, nothing homophobic about it.

Meant to be factually correct, d'oh I'm tired.

Not a fertility issue and not remotely what the NHS should be doing.

She's just stating a fact - it's not a fertility issue as there is no way two women or two men can have a child. I'm gay and I realise that.

That's because she's anti-LGBT

I have no idea why she's tweeting about it, but the tweet in the OP isn't wrong. A colleague of mine has had two children with her wife, using a sperm donor. She would not describe herself as "infertile", in fact I had a conversation with her (we were pregnant at the same time) where she said she was lucky to not have had any fertility issues.

OP - would you consider a single woman who wanted a child to have fertility problems?

That’s in your head.

This lesbian (repost from upthread) obvs doesn’t see the tweet as anti lesbian:

I'm not clear why lesbians would need IVF - unless they are both actually infertile.
Surely a lesbian just needs a sperm donor and a syringe?
If they are having it purely because one woman wishes to carry the other woman's egg, it seems very unwise, as pregnancies from donor eggs are riskier to the mother.

Including for straight couples where the man is infertile?

Or should the NHS only refuse to help lesbian couples?

This is a women's rights issue. A really important one.

Why have you posted a screenshot of someone else's tweet that is homophobic, rather than just posting the original KJK tweet which is factual and not homophobic?

There is a discussion to be had about fertility treatment in general, how this fits into the NHS and who should be eligible for treatment.

The Venus Rising podcast has a lot of really interesting episodes about big fertility, ethics and impact etc.

Sorry, just to clarify, when I say the tweet in the OP isn't wrong, I mean the original tweet. Not the response. Which I disagree with

I’m anti the use of anonymous donor gametes for all couples and singles of any sexuality.

I don’t think the NHS should create babies who don’t know who their biological parents are.

Do you think by posting other tweet about same-sex couples that people will think Posey is responding to that?

i'm not on Twitter, but I don't think she is? Is she?

I think it's debatable how much the NHS should help anyone with infertility.
But if a man can't get his female partner pregnant he is clearly infertile.
If a woman can't get her female partner pregnant, she's a lesbian - she's not infertile.
Not everything that some women would like to happen is a women's rights issue.

As someone who has been through fertility issues and treatments I find it almost offensive to call it infertility. It's not it's just a basic fact of life. But I do see an awful lot of male couples in particular bleating on about their infertility. They will never have to go through a HSG, a miscarriage, injecting themselves with steroids. They have no clue.

It's not an infertility issue. A lesbian can get pregnant if she chooses. Nothing too technical.

Bit different from gay men buying babies from their mothers.

Posie’s tweet is a stand alone tweet.

The one Sappho posted isn’t even a reply, it’s a quote tweet.

Sapphos what you are saying is really offensive to women with medical fertility problems.
I'm very sorry to hear about your problems dimorphism

The very kindest thing I can say about your op, Sapphos is that it's thoughtless and utterly tone deaf. Please think about it.

KJK is absolutely correct and simply making a statement of fact. Of course two people of the same sex won’t be able to procreate together. What they are experiencing isn’t infertility or any kind of medical disorder with their reproductive systems.

Who, if anyone, should be able to have infertility treatment or what kind it should be is another debate altogether.

Yep.

And this is the issue, if men can reframe their lack of uterus and eggs as ‘infertility’ and demand that their ‘infertility’ should be ‘treated on the NHS’ it’s women who will suffer, as surrogates and as egg donors (some of whom will have agreed to ‘donate’ eggs under the coercive pressure of funding/accessing her own infertility treatment).

I don't know the context of what she was saying, but she says nothing about opposing fertility treatment for gay couples in this tweet. She just says that it isn't an issue with fertility that gay couples don't naturally conceive children.

She's probably referencing gay men using surrogacy labeled as a 'fertility treatment' when in fact it's nothing to do with their fertility and everything to do with commodifying women's bodies.