Why are the filmmakers of Affirmation Generation anonymous

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DH was actually becoming very convinced by their arguments but then he asked me what was the source? This was triggered by the fact that there was footage of Helen Joyce on GB News. I actually found this documentary on Mumsnet so I didn't actually know. We stopped watching halfway and we did a deep dive into the people behind the documentary

DH has always been very insistent that he needs to establish the provenance of all the news sources/media that he consumes in order to ensure that they are not fake news sources. Since we can't find anything, he is now convinced that the entire documentary is garbage since we can't establish who is behind them and from what we can surmise, it seems to be a group of mothers of trans kids (many of whom are keeping their identities anonymous). Is it that necessary for them to be so discreet regarding their identities? There is also little coverage of this documentary, which lessens its credibility in DH's eyes.

I feel like a lot of people may think like DH and this would mean that an excellent documentary doesn't reach its intended audience. I feel sad because i was really enjoying the documentary and i felt like i was learning so much but then it is overshadowed by the fact that I don't actually know who is behind it! Dh might sound very unreasonable in what kind of media he permits himself to watch but that is because he attended an ultra orthodox jewish school as a child (where he was told many untrue things) and had a father who was a bit of a conspiracy theorist so he has learnt this way of filtering information (only read news and consume media from reputable sources). I tried to explain to Dh that they are keeping their identities anonymous foe fear of losing their jobs. However at the same time, doesn't that mean the whole argument isn't as convincing and isn't the point of the documentary to educate?

To be fair to DH, he does say he will read Helena Barnes' book about the Tavistock Clinic (recommended by FT) and maybe he will then be ready to watch this documentary...

I started out prepared to give OP the benefit of the doubt, but by a couple of posts in I agree with the others.

There is plenty of thoroughly accredited information out there. Plenty of public cases of people who have taken universities to court for preventing reasonable research and bullying out non compliant staff. Plenty of trans and detrans people brave enough to publicly stand by their experiences.

These particular people need to protect their families and their livelihood. No one will tell you any more.

And what news agency would do that?

And by bringing the documentary to the wider public, means there is more pressure for extremists to then dox this involved. So would in the end mean exposure.

And if the film needed to be ‘premiered’ at local events, well we know how that goes. Protests and abuse.

No. The makers want their privacy, that needs to be respected. So much so that they have not even chosen a spokesperson who can run with it. I was all for the film makers of the Adult Human Female documentary going on as wide a range of media as they could as they were promoting it. This documentary is a different matter.

Well, that tells us the TRA line on Affirmation Generation, doesn’t it?

Catch 22 indeed. Reveal your names and get hate mail, death threats and people trying to get you fired. Stay anonymous and your work is ‘garbage’ because it’s‘unsourced’.

Here OP. This link can asnswer several questions.

www.bayswatersupport.org.uk/video/

It talks about the documentary ‘Trans Kids – It’s Time to Talk’ by Olli Lambert and Stella O’Malley. You might need to find your own link to that if you are not in the UK and cannot access the archives of Channel 4.

It is well worth watching.

And it is well worth reading / listening to Olli’s experience in putting it together because it highlights what was happening and still happening now.

The ‘unsourced’ bit is a logical fail, it really is.

So much of that documentary is of the original sources recounting their stories. Why the need for the film makers to be ‘verified’?

A person who was interested would simply look up the people speaking and check them out….

The documentary is not about who made it. It is about what was said on it. It is about each and every speaker on it.

Plus the Tory Party/republicans do have a reputation of starting culture wars in a bid to hide their own incompetence.

I think you are putting the cart before the horse. The left is trying to start a cultural revolution and characterising the resistance of the political right as "starting a culture war". Many (if not the majority) of posters here lean left but we are not so tribal or stupid we can't recognise that its the left attempts to stifle debate that is the problem.

Your repeated questions about why this isn't more mainstream do come across as disingenuous. Anyone who has spent more than 5 minutes reading around the issue both understands and is alarmed by the aggressive and sometime violent silencing tactics of TRA's. People have been threatened, lost jobs and been arrested for stating facts, if you have bills to pay you will be very careful where you air your views.

Kinda like how you shouldn't let your opinions on Brexit be based solely on a documentary which interviews some people saying that they 'lost' their jobs because eastern Europeans are cheaper and where some fisherman are giving interviews on how fishing quotas are so very dreadful.

Oh you’re back OP

now about mastectomies for teenagers

pro or anti?

All these things sound horrifying. But I am just wondering why these views are not more mainstream or why news outlets don't want to expose it given that 99% of the people I know will not want mastectomies for even 21 year olds, let alone teenagers. My rabbi was even reluctant to convert a 18 year old and thought he should perhaps wait until after university since it is a ' life changing decision '. Well changing religion carries zero medical risk and it is reversible..

But yet I know a parent in my synagogue who briefly mentioned his son is transitioning and based on this documentary, would probably get bits cut off him sooner or later.

Op, you are posting on a board called sex and gender. Every single piece of information you need, including all the newspaper reporting (the Daily Mail, Telegraph, Times), is on this board.

Just take five seconds and have a look.

As somebody has suggested, just Google the reviews of Hannah Barnes new book. And you will see all the major news outlets confirming what you seem sceptical of.

Like this one.

www.theguardian.com/books/2023/feb/19/time-to-think-by-hannah-barnes-review-what-went-wrong-at-gids?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1676792952

Don’t really understand what you’re getting at?

messing about with kids bodies is bad but the right people aren’t talking about it so it’s not happening?

here’s BBC coverage of how a private GP service in wales sterilised an 11 year old girl by prescribing her testosterone

does that help?

www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-61999764.amp

If this is someone paid to influence opinion on social media they’re doing a shit job

Well quite.

OP "Why isn't this issue more mainstream?"

MN (several times) "People receive violent threats for talking about it."

OP "It's appalling but I just don't understand why this isn't more mainstream."

BBC Canada made a doc on this in 2017:

www.bbcselect.com/ca/watch/transgender-kids-who-knows-best/

it was shown once and quietly shelved because Transactivists didn’t like it:

amp.theguardian.com/society/2017/jan/11/bbc-film-on-child-transgender-issues-worries-activists

Lots of Jewish journalists have been trying to make it mainstream, btw. Jesse Singal, Bari Weiss and Hadley Freeman for starters.

BBC were willing to interview Navalny and devote an entire documentary to him (and his story) even after the Russian state literally tried to kill him using nerve agents. We watched his documentary which was independently produced and which had positive coverage in several independent news sources. You can't expect me to believe trans activists are somehow more scary than Putin...

Oh no!

you’ve gone blind

so sad

presumably that’s why you’re unable to see the BBC links on this thread?

Whatever you’re getting paid, it’s too much

Here’s an upload of the BBC Canada documentary:

www.dailymotion.com/video/x58s24i

Just because you’ve had your eyes shut for the last 5 years, doesn’t mean this stuff doesn’t exist!

It seems to have been taken down. Is there anywhere it can be watched?

https://twitter.com/2022affirmation/status/1628292647424253952?s=46&t=DPE7jAeahh_5jJi2oB3dAA. They have posted a back up drop box file

Op, are you reading the links? It's really a piece of piss to show you that young girls are getting double mastectomies.

Or you could Google US doctor who enjoys the strapline 'yeat the teat' as marketing for her mastectomy surgeries on youngsters.

if you're not going to read the links, any subsequent posts saying you don't get the problem are going to sound a little hollow, right?

Like I said, I question the motives of people who are desperate to stop others watching this documentary…

Cake anyone ?

Well this OP isnt at all sus...