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The Hannah Barnes book

286 replies

RoyalCorgi · 14/02/2023 12:37

There have been discussions about the book on different threads relating to various interviews with Barnes or pieces about the book. Thought it would be useful to bring everything on to one thread.

This review by Sarah Ditum is excellent and very moving:

unherd.com/2023/02/the-tragedy-of-becoming-a-woman/

Another good one from Suzanne Moore:

suzannemoore.substack.com/p/a-review-of-time-to-think-the-book

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Treaclemine · 14/02/2023 13:23

The member of "Justice for Men and Boys" who comments after Ditum's piece is unable to see past his own experience, and blames women for gender ideology.

WarriorNun · 14/02/2023 14:16

Good idea. There's others that @ResisterRex has posted recently....

Janice Turner has reviewed it in the times

Radio 4 today (14/02/23) at 8:45 Hannah interviewed by Justin Webb.

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001j417

On Woman's hour today also, a follow on from the Barnes interview with Webb on Today.

www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001j42m

WarriorNun · 14/02/2023 14:19

SOS have a great campaign linked to this book:

SOS Scotland great campaign www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4742682-sos-scotland-great-campaign

ResisterRex · 14/02/2023 14:45

Yes, I think I posted these??

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/books/what-to-read/time-think-review-book-tells-full-story-tavistocks-trans-scandal/ (I'm sure I read the paywall was lifted for this)

The one with the parental sex offender stats: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/02/14/tavistock-clinic-ignored-link-autism-transgender-children/

"Children referred to Gids were ten times more likely than the national average to have a registered sex offender as a parent"

But also the huge disparity in children with autism in that article: "Less than two per cent of children in the UK are thought to have an autism spectrum disorder, but according to Gids’s own data, around 35 per cent of its referrals “present with moderate to severe autistic traits”."

Janice Turner review:

Exposing Tavistock: the human cost of the biggest medical scandal of our age

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/91450fd0-a3c5-11ed-8e45-d36dad29d912?shareToken=7d62a6341d3083e0665a5df88d2395d7

Dr Anna Hutchison:

The ‘holy f*’ moment I knew something was wrong at the Tavistock

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/19ffce5e-a930-11ed-9813-2dc4880907f5?shareToken=389bd7fb017cb1660c13068f704a6a4c

I think there are more though (!!)

ResisterRex · 14/02/2023 14:48

Alex Massie and Scotland:
^
The golden rule for Scotland’s Tavistock: see nothing, say nothing, think nothing^

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/dffaa4b0-abbc-11ed-9cb3-80326348937b?shareToken=98a0c00d9826695d947e659dd4bbc81c

Politicians' reactions:

Tavistock scandal reminds us to stand up for truth, says Badenoch

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/935bda12-ab48-11ed-a737-a480e119ff3e?shareToken=6bf20381f80a93d0ef619cd454025645

ResisterRex · 14/02/2023 14:52

Sunday Times comment on the book:

The Tavistock experiment can never be repeated

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/951373ba-aa44-11ed-8a03-b2faadede0c5?shareToken=7c6a4d95bc1727b3557abeefcee6691a

Original article from Sunday:

Tavistock scandal ‘on a par with East German doping of athletes’

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/e04f4958-aa26-11ed-8a03-b2faadede0c5?shareToken=d141489f7ce1709e2eded4a1830240f2

Article by Hannah Barnes from Sunday:

The ‘holy f*’ moment I knew something was wrong at the Tavistock

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/19ffce5e-a930-11ed-9813-2dc4880907f5?shareToken=a247101ac2f77d69a87596347ce8503b

Somebodyelsestrain · 14/02/2023 18:43

Really good interview with HB on the Newsagents Podcast this evening.

FemaleAndLearning · 14/02/2023 22:01

Great resource thank you.

Rubidium · 14/02/2023 22:05

Favourable review by Camilla Cavendish in the Financial Times:
www.ft.com/content/a45a9a0b-5d2f-4c4a-b2ef-6a8796ea5d10

Behind a paywall unfortunately, but thought I would add it for the record.

ValancyRedfern · 14/02/2023 22:11

That final sentence of Sarah Ditum's piece says it all for me:

'The tragedy of a misogynistic world is that it makes girls believe they need a cure for femaleness. The scandal of GIDS is that it pretended it could supply one.'

LarissaFeodorovna · 14/02/2023 22:26

Rubidium · 14/02/2023 22:05

Favourable review by Camilla Cavendish in the Financial Times:
www.ft.com/content/a45a9a0b-5d2f-4c4a-b2ef-6a8796ea5d10

Behind a paywall unfortunately, but thought I would add it for the record.

Readable archived version here:
archive.is/ebvVV

ResisterRex · 15/02/2023 07:03

Nicola Sturgeon told to stop ignoring trans children care scandal

Concerns about puberty blocker referrals at London clinic have not been followed up in Scotland, warns whistleblower

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/02/14/nicola-sturgeon-told-stop-ignoring-trans-children-care-scandal/

Part of the article:

"David Bell, a former senior psychiatrist at the Tavistock, who became a whistleblower over its Gender Identity Development Service (GID), repeated his call for Sandyford to be closed.
"It's clear that the Sandyford is still using the same model that formed the basis of GIDs,” he said. “The research basis that informed the Dutch protocol has been entirely discredited.
"The Cass reportt_ [on gender services in England which, led to the Tavistock's closure] is not a report on the Tavistock, it's a report on gender services for children and young people. And it's the biggest report on these services that has ever been undertaken, worldwide.
"So it's bizarre not to take its findings very seriously, to say this somehow doesn't apply to Scottish children. By saying that, you're in effect saying that you're content for Scottish children to continue to be damaged by being given the wrong treatment."
In a leaked recording, obtained by The Telegraph last yearr_, a senior Sandyford clinician revealed that the Scottish clinic viewed the Dutch protocol as the “example of best practice”. However, she admitted work was ongoing to find “a robust evidence base for the treatment that we offer”.
In a private talk given last June, before the closure of the English clinic was announced, the consultant clinical psychologist claimed that it was “reassuring” that the Sandyford was not “working in a wildly different way” to the Tavistock."

Needmoresleep · 15/02/2023 07:13

Just Googled. It appears that the Guardian has yet to review.

WarriorNun · 15/02/2023 07:19

she admitted work was ongoing to find “a robust evidence base for the treatment that we offer”.

None of us here have found it yet

WarriorNun · 15/02/2023 07:21

In a private talk given last June, before the closure of the English clinic was announced, the consultant clinical psychologist claimed that it was “reassuring” that the Sandyford was not “working in a wildly different way” to the Tavistock."

That is not reassuring based on Barnes' research.

And the key point is that the Dutch protocol was not used on children with all these other additional issues.

Rubidium · 15/02/2023 09:01

Larissa Thanks

FrancescaContini · 15/02/2023 09:11

Needmoresleep · 15/02/2023 07:13

Just Googled. It appears that the Guardian has yet to review.

Oh. I wonder why?

Great thread - thank you. I’m going to buy this book.

Genesis1v27 · 15/02/2023 11:33

A review in The Irish Independent:

‘Tavistock clinic had flaws but it was a lifeline to my trans daughter’

archive link

ResisterRex · 15/02/2023 13:27

Allison Pearson in the Telegraph:

Why was the Tavistock experiment allowed to go on for so long?

www.telegraph.co.uk/columnists/2023/02/15/why-tavistock-experiment-allowed-go-long/

From the article:

"Tavistock clinicians appear to have been under pressure to “affirm” a child’s new gender identity. So it was no surprise when the NHS announced last July that Gids would be shut down. Goodbye and good riddance.
But how the hell was that unevidenced experiment on barely formed young adults allowed to go on for so long? It owed more to Mengele than medical ethics.
The answers – and they are beyond shocking – come in a new book, Time to Think: The Inside Story of the Collapse of the Tavistock’s Gender Service for Childrenn_ by Hannah Barnes, a Newsnight journalist who interviewed people who worked at Gids, governors at the Trust, and children and their parents who used the service.
“Incredibly complex children” were referred for puberty blockers after just one face-to-face meeting, without any wider assessment of their mental and physical health or family problems. Alarm bells should have rung when more than a third of young people referred to Gids had moderate to severe autistic traitss_, compared with fewer than 2 per cent of children in the general population.
But, it turns out, the clinic had a vested interest in muffling any alarm bells. Concerns about the long-term safety of more than 1,000 under-16s who had been referred for puberty blockers were ignored to keep a “gold dust” NHS contract."

PIKNIK20 · 15/02/2023 20:49

Thanks for all the postings. This is the go to place to know what is what.

dinosauriam · 15/02/2023 21:40

Just pre-ordered on my Kindle.

ResisterRex · 18/02/2023 07:31

Adapted from the book.

'I was sold a lie that puberty-blockers were the answer to all my worries': Devastating new book reveals plight of hundreds of child patients at Tavistock gender clinic who feel betrayed by the NHS after being put on powerful hormonal drugs
By Hannah Barnes

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11764509/Devastating-new-book-reveals-plight-hundreds-child-patients-Tavistock-gender-clinic.html

ResisterRex · 18/02/2023 07:32

Also by Hannah Barnes for the Daily Mail:

'My son was never trans - instead he had severe OCD': Mother reveals she was 'let down' by those who were meant to help during her son's harrowing experience with the Tavistock clinic

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11765183/Mother-says-let-meant-help-sons-experience-Tavistock-clinic.html