Why are the filmmakers of Affirmation Generation anonymous

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DH was actually becoming very convinced by their arguments but then he asked me what was the source? This was triggered by the fact that there was footage of Helen Joyce on GB News. I actually found this documentary on Mumsnet so I didn't actually know. We stopped watching halfway and we did a deep dive into the people behind the documentary

DH has always been very insistent that he needs to establish the provenance of all the news sources/media that he consumes in order to ensure that they are not fake news sources. Since we can't find anything, he is now convinced that the entire documentary is garbage since we can't establish who is behind them and from what we can surmise, it seems to be a group of mothers of trans kids (many of whom are keeping their identities anonymous). Is it that necessary for them to be so discreet regarding their identities? There is also little coverage of this documentary, which lessens its credibility in DH's eyes.

I feel like a lot of people may think like DH and this would mean that an excellent documentary doesn't reach its intended audience. I feel sad because i was really enjoying the documentary and i felt like i was learning so much but then it is overshadowed by the fact that I don't actually know who is behind it! Dh might sound very unreasonable in what kind of media he permits himself to watch but that is because he attended an ultra orthodox jewish school as a child (where he was told many untrue things) and had a father who was a bit of a conspiracy theorist so he has learnt this way of filtering information (only read news and consume media from reputable sources). I tried to explain to Dh that they are keeping their identities anonymous foe fear of losing their jobs. However at the same time, doesn't that mean the whole argument isn't as convincing and isn't the point of the documentary to educate?

To be fair to DH, he does say he will read Helena Barnes' book about the Tavistock Clinic (recommended by FT) and maybe he will then be ready to watch this documentary...

Lol yes but everyone who was born and brought up a Jew will be laughing at you and your notions, which are ridiculous. Your friend isn’t Jewish, you are embarrassing yourselves with banging on about this. Someone pretending to be Jewish when they aren’t is just silly and pretentious. Someone pretending a man is a woman is dangerous, as it undermines the rights of women to female only spaces and denies biological reality. There has been plenty of harm caused by these policies, surely you are aware of this? If not you need to do a lot more reading yourself. At least you’ve given up all pretence of looking for info your husband!

But there is harm being done - the documentary you refer to in your OP and others that people have linked are demonstrating that harm. The fact that you want to ignore the harm to 'be nice' is where you and others on this board will disagree.

How much harm is acceptable to you?
The fact that men who claim to be women want in our spaces and prisons and sports teams is too much harm as far as I'm concerned. The fact that young people who are distressed are being put on hormones and a pathway to irreversible surgery is too much harm.

I would hazard a guess that your husband doesn't see the harm because he is a man who doesn't need to see the danger of other men using women's facilities because it's not a threat.

So who do you consider a Jew then? Someone who has an orthodox conversion, or are reform or masorti conversions permitted? Also under what authority do you consider to be valid..Reform considers children of non Jewish mother's to be Jewish (if raised in the faith), I suppose you reject that as well.

Does your opinion change with the Supreme Court of Israel judgements.

It is a deviation from the original subject. But the point I was making was that I believe with issues of identity, there is an argument that we can choose what we identify as and it is basic respect for others that we accept their identity..of course there is a limit to this approach..I am happy to use someone's pronouns etc but advocating for full surgery to transition is something quite different. It's not all or nothing. You have a very binary understanding of the world and that inevitably leads to alienation.

there is an argument that we can choose what we identify as and it is basic respect for others that we accept their identity

hoo boy

of course there is a limit to this approach.

but you get to decide the limit, right? I don’t?

I guess it's a conversation we need to have as a society. Hopefully a civil conversation which I fear based on this thread is not possible given that it is only extremists on either side who seem to be involved.

The documentary did mention that and I agree. It said that the people in the silent center need to make their voice heard as well.

Yes the men in dresses get to decide if they are women and whether or not they actual even need to bother trying to look like a woman in order to say they are one. We just sit there and support them according to the OP as there is absolutely no harm whatsoever ok 🤷‍♀️

Yes you are correct. 99% of the world’s population know that you can’t change sex, are disgusted at male access to women’s spaces and are horrified that some deluded people think that children should be medicated from a young age because they said they were really a boy. I’m not an extremist. I’m just in tune with reality. You seem to be under the misapprehension that your views are mainstream, when you sound quite removed from reality. The Jewish non Jewish friend just wiped any credibility you had OP, if you are going to try and argue with strangers on line again come up with something else as genuinely I’ve laughed my head off about it. It’s the silliest thing I’ve heard in ages

If you think this thread isn't civil, try going on a trans reddit group or something and questioning their motives or even misgendering them - you will get threats and abuse.

It's always the women who have to be civil though eh?

‘My friend eats bacon but I respect her identity as a vegetarian because I’m a good person. We need to have a conversation as a society about what vegetarian means so she can enjoy her bacon and still have her identity respected ’

righty ho

none of this made any sense, you know that right, OP?

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I am happy to use someone's pronouns etc but advocating for full surgery to transition is something quite different. It's not all or nothing. You have a very binary understanding of the world and that inevitably leads to alienation.

You do realise that to the diehard trans activists this is utter transphobia don't you? Nothing to but total acceptance and capitulation is enough for them...

yes. I agree.

The documentary leads you to look up people which leads to more information and more information.

I agree with you.

from yougov, A majority of Britons believe that people should be able to change the gender they socially identify as, with 55% saying “people should be able to identify as being of a different gender to the one they had recorded at birth”. Fewer than half as many (25%) take the opposing view, with 20% unsure.

However, when it comes to the matter of being allowed to legally change their gender status, the public is divided. Four in ten (40%) say the law should allow people to change their legal gender, while 37% say it should not. The remaining 23% are unsure.

How is it 99%??? Bit of an echo chamber

I'm going to hazard a guess that most people on this thread (if not all of us) came to this thinking it didn't have to be all or nothing and surely we call all sit down and talk this over like adults. Now who knows op, maybe you'll turn out to be the one who manages to make the breakthrough and get that conversation started and good luck to you. But if you think we're the ones who need a lecture on needing to have civil conversations, then I'm won't be holding my breath.

Mmmm

try getting Isla Bryson pregnant

I’d go so far as to say 100% of people know humans can’t change sex

Your friend is not a Jew because they haven’t converted to Judaism and don’t appear to have been born a Jew and have gone through the rites associated with membership of that faith. Someone can’t walk in to a Catholic Church and say I’m a catholic now. They aren’t. They are someone sitting in a Catholic Church. If they want to become a catholic they have to study and undertake the sacraments the church requires to confirm membership. I am sure the various branches of Judaism all have their own membership requirements. You, particularly you as a fairly recent convert, don’t get to swoop in and tell people who have been Jews all their life and complied with the terms of the membership of that faith that they are wrong and that your friend the poseur is actually a Jew. The same way that men don’t get to tell women what a woman actually is.
‘You have a very binary understanding of the world and that inevitably leads to alienation.’ Not at all, I’ve had an interesting and varied life and lived across the world, I have had friends and romantic partners drawn from all kinds of backgrounds different to my own. But I won’t allow people to force me to lie and say a man is a woman. I have had transgender clients and I have treated them with the same care and respect as any of my clients. Every one is entitled to be treated with dignity and respect, starting with women and girls.

You are actually being really offensive op. Do you really know know anything about this and the tactics used from the Denton report? Literally they know people would be anti this and that is why the forced teaming of lgb with tq. Have you missed the whole paedophile link here! Hmm I wonder who might want to encourage children to stop puberty and brain development at a young age and ensure they are infertile. Ffs. Also your friend is not Jewish unless he actually believes, you can't just say it because you want to be in a gang!

But you referred to the silent centre. They are hardly taking part in surveys if they are silent now are they? I also think I said GLOBAL population. YouGov only surveys people in the UK. What happened to gathering info for her husband lol

People know that humans cannot change sex - it's literally impossible.

So a certain amount of people think that other should be able to identify as another gender, fair enough. That is not the same thing at as changing sex, which is what Eyerollcentral actually stated.

But again, you know this and are being deliberately obtuse..

I think your mask is slipping OP...

The different branches of Judaism don't often recognize each other's conversions. It isn't an easy topic to drill down to. Historically, Judaism has been difficult to convert to as it is limited by geography (need to live in the vicinity of a synagogue) and also you need to learn Hebrew. In my synagogue, you needed to write a thesis which is not as easy for people with learning disabilities. It's not like converting to Catholicism where almost anyone can do it. I have heard of people who have taken 10 years to convert to Judaism so does that mean despite leading a full Jewish life in that 10 years, she only became Jewish when she dunked her head in the mikveh?

He does believe, my feeling is that he hasn't found a denomination that he feels comfortable with converting to even if he wants to be Jewish

'People should be able to identify as anything they want'. Cool.

But its not how we run services that are based on sex, such as maternity services; or that are affected by sex, such as prisons.

Right, the way many Protestant churches don’t recognise members of the Catholic Church as Christian. Doesn’t mean a confirmed member of the catholic church is not a Christian. Your friend doesn’t meet the membership requirements of any branch of Judaism so it’s a moot point.
‘I have heard of people who have taken 10 years to convert to Judaism so does that mean despite leading a full Jewish life in that 10 years, she only became Jewish when she dunked her head in the mikveh?’ Yes, yes it does. They haven’t lived a full Jewish life, they have been preparing to convert to Judaism. That’s the rules the people who ARE Jewish say god gave them in order to determine who is Jewish or not. The law of god. How on earth did you manage to successful complete your conversion if you can’t get your head round this? Oh no, please no, please tell me you aren’t another self-proclaimed Jew! Honestly stop, my sides are sore from laughing.
Men can’t become women and women can’t become men OP. Your friend isn’t a Jew and your imaginary husband didn’t get half way through a documentary and decide it was garbage because some sources were anonymous. Try getting some fresh air and vitamin d.

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It can be found here now. Definitely worth watching.

A general word of warning: if you only ever consume news from "reputable" sources you seriously risk being underinformed, or ill informed, and only getting inherently biased information. It also sets up the idea that some news organisations are trustworthy / honest and should be believed. The best way to protect yourself from "fake news" is to be as read as widely as possible, not to limit yourself. Who decides which sources are "reputable"?

For a great many people on this board, we have been trying to get this stuff covered by mainstream media for literally years. In those years, when nobody was listening because the BBC is reputable and MN isn't, hundreds (possibly thousands) of children have been subjected to medical malpractice.

By nature, Judaism is a questioning religion. We did explore at length what makes a Jew a Jew during my conversion classes. I mean I accept there are many differences in opinion (Jewish people cannot agree on many things). Yes the official line is you need to undergo rabbinic conversion. And the nature of conversion with Judaism is that it is very much a lifestyle change so much so that people are so immersed in their community before they even formally convert. I took 1.5 years to convert (1 year of classes and then met before a Jewish court) but was involved in the Jewish community for much longer. Hence why many people feel Jewish even before they have done the conversion.

There are articles like this for a reason:

www.google.com/amp/s/www.timesofisrael.com/if-you-marry-a-jew-youre-one-of-us/amp/

Certainly, some who marry us will decide to officially “join” the Jewish people through rabbinic conversion. Our arms should be wide open and encouraging to those on this path. Conversion classes and experiences need to be excellent, accessible and, frankly, more affordable in order to attract larger numbers. Our community needs to set this as a priority.

But for those who choose to be part of our community without formal conversion — who come to the Passover seder and drive their children to Hebrew school, who sit shiva with us, or who bring their sons into the community at a brit milah, who shep naches at their daughters’ bat mitzvah and who go to Israel on vacation — we say welcome. It’s a pleasure to know you. Come learn. You’re one of us if you want to be.

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Steven M. Cohen is a research professor at Hebrew Union College-Jewish Institute of Religion and director of the Berman Jewish Policy Archive. Rabbi Joy Levitt is the executive director of the JCC Manhattan.