Kate Forbes reported for 'transphobia'

[ArabellaScott]

www.heraldscotland.com/politics/23336504.kate-forbes-may-breached-snp-rules-transphobia/

'KATE Forbes looks set to be probed by the SNP's conduct committee after members of the party's LGBTQ+ wing accused her of breaking rules on transphobia.

In an interview with ITV Border, when asked if she believed a trans woman is a woman, the Finance Secretary replied: "I believe that a trans woman is a biological male who identifies as a woman."'

"Outing a transwoman as biologically male". Do you seriously think the fact a transwomen is biologically male is some kind of big surprise to the world.

She isn't talking about anyone in particular and law around not disclosing someone has a GRC is based on disclosing it about an individual.

We are in La La Land and we need to stop it.

Do you seriously think the fact a transwomen is biologically male is some kind of big surprise to the world.
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@StalkedByASpider it is similar tho as you are talking about their genetics and we agree that is wrong, you wouldn't keep changing it to British Asian as they aren't genetically similar to the majority of the British population even tho from a science standpoint say in screening for genetic disease it's very important to know ethnic history just like it is to know if someone is XX or XY.

Therefore it is the same as categorising a trans woman to a biologically male woman which is what she has said. Both are biological statements.

It forcing the term man and woman to be about genotype when society increasingly sees them as a phenotype.

If she isn't capable of navigating a simple debate like this without stepping outside of the party line how is she going to manage relationships with countries where you simply don't state your view? Imagine her on a visit to the Middle East if she has to speak out on gender, is she going to also speak out on the female rights issues and set relationships back. At the end of the day she paid to say things with tact and instead she kicked the ball into the crowds

I think it would be a bloody hard sell for the people of Scotland generally.

It’s always going to be hard to demonstrate you represent views the majority of a population can get behind when you have very firmly held minority religious beliefs that aren’t in line with the majority of the population.

That’s a separate problem from this particular attempt to shut her up and get her into trouble though.

As it's stands her answer is transphobic by the code she signed up to represent. It should have been phrased to acknowledge gender identity even if she wanted to rock the boat and add biology to the end of it

I assume then that Humza has also been reported because he denied the gender identity of an actual person?

I'm certain I've little in common with Forbes. I don't agree with her on things like abortion. But if her private prayers are being monitored and weaponised, we are in a dark place:

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/02/21/kate-forbes-loses-support-snp-leadership-bid-stance-gay-marriage/

"Speaking to the Inverness Courier, Ms Forbes said that her 2018 comments on abortion had been made as part of a “prayer at a prayer breakfast”.

“For anybody now to be monitoring people’s prayers, is just a remarkable development in Scottish public life,” she added.
“That something that used to be genuinely private - and that was a prayer breakfast, it wasn’t a political event - for that to be now monitored as whether or not it is acceptable in the public’s eyes, I think raises enormous questions about Scottish society and about illiberalism.”
'I wouldn't be changing the law'
Addressing her views on abortion, Ms Forbes, who is returning from maternity leave to run for SNP leader, said: “I personally could never conceive of having an abortion. I’ve seen my baby at 12 weeks, I've seen my baby at 20 weeks. I couldn’t conceive of having an abortion.
“I have zero intention or interest in changing the law that allows for other people to have an abortion. I don’t think that any woman goes for an abortion lightly. And those legal provisions exist. And certainly under any leadership that I have, I wouldn’t be changing the law.”"

I suspect that the advocates of this kind of silencing aren’t as secure in their belief that sex doesn’t matter.

If you genuinely, securely believe that your biological sex has nothing to do with your gender identity, and that gender identity is the real and more valid thing, then why would you be terrified of anyone mentioning biological sex?

I hope she wins and brings biological reality back to Scotland. So if you state a FACT then you get reported and investigated. The trans have taken over logical thinking and handmaidens are helping them with the crap.

Fight back with logic and biological fact.

I’d to see the SNP learn from all this and drop gender lies.

That would leave Starmer and some of his believers in Labour up next for scrutiny.

Well she is correct . And if it wasn’t then no one would need to self ID would they ? The clue is in the term .

absolute total madness.

It’s refreshing to hear a politician be straightforward with their responses. And what she stated was not “outing” anyone as she wasn’t talking about a specific person.

Even if she had pointed across the room and said “Jennifer over there is a transwoman because he was born male” then yes, one might consider it a bit rude, but no, it’s more than likely not “outing” Jennifer because 99%+ of “Jennifers” can’t pass in person*

*those that even make an effort to try

She's right though .

I think we need to report Humza Yousaf for Transphobia as well. Look what he said at the launch event of his campaign. :

Humza Yousaf was asked if he believed Isla Bryson was a man or a woman. He said:

“Look for me Isla Bryson is a deceitful and deceptive individual, and I think they continue to be deceitful and deceptive, frankly pretending to be trans for the sake of making their life easier. So I don’t recognise them at all as a transwoman I think they are being deceptive and divisive.”

The SNP Code of Conduct states:

“Transphobia” describes discriminatory or prejudiced language or actions, relating to actual or perceived gender identity or gender expression, including denying or refusing to accept gender identity”

“Transphobia may manifest in a range of ways including, but not limited to, deliberately misgendering someone or using phrases or language to suggest their gender identity is not valid, for example referring to a trans woman as a "biological man".

He defiantly said that a transwoman was lying about their identity. Different language to Kate Forbes, but breaching the code.

So why report her then? Why complain? Some deluded actually think we cannot tell that a man who identifies as a woman is a real woman unless someone 'outs' them.

It's the answer the woke brigade give to everything - transphobic, it's shuts down any debate by slinging that around. It shouldn't and should be discussed.

@ResisterRex its bloody sinister, isn’t it?

The woman isn’t allowed private beliefs - even where she’s been open that she wouldn’t change the law. She’s demonstrating that she recognises that the law should reflect broader public opinion not just her.

And even where she has bloody acknowledged gender identity (who identifies as a woman IS acknowledging it), there are posters on this thread insisting she’s transphobic because she didn’t acknowledge gender identity.

No, I don't think it is the same at all.

A British-Asian is British. The subcategory of Asian doesn't add anything. Lots of us may have international heritage if we check our ancestry but we still call ourselves British by virtue of birth. British is British.

In my example, the French person IS French. They can call themselves British because that's up to them, but they are still French - regardless of how they feel.

A trans woman is biologically male. There is no part of them which is biologically female. Referring back to your British-Asian example, the British-Asian person IS still British, even if you want to add the Asian descriptor. A trans woman is not a biological woman. Not at all. It's not an added descriptor. It's a French person who wants to call themselves British when they're not.

Unfortunately for those who prefer to solely use gender, biology matters. It is only men who rape. The overwhelming majority of sexual and violent assaults are carried out by biological men, regardless of how they identify. Men are bigger, stronger and more powerful when compared pound for pound to their female counterparts. That's why biological men can't enter most women's sports.

I'm not advocating for this person for First Minister. I'm not Scottish and tbh, I don't know much about her at all. But I do think the world would be a much better place if politicians were more honest and clearer. I think her response is excellent actually - trans women are biological men but she respects their right to identify as a woman. Pretty much covers all bases I think - other than those who are demanding that she pretends that a biological man IS actually a woman. Which is untrue and just ridiculous - but that's where we're at now and why the SNP is being laughed at.

I also very much disagree with you that the world is "increasingly" recognising gender over biology. If anything it appears to be reverting to biology. Thank goodness.

Poor Scottish people will have a candidate cancelled out due to using factually correct words. Any Scottish people on here - do you care?

I can't work out if this is all gaslighting or there are just some really stupid people in politics.

Did none of them do biology in school?

I absolutely condemn her stance on abortion.
But this is madness. Like, The Crucible levels of madness.
I must say, I don't think the Forstater ruling is that helpful; it isn't a 'belief' to talk factually about biological sex. I do understand that maybe that was the only way, legally, the case could be brought or made watertight, but it's problematic.

Race is not a genetic category. You cannot look at someone’s genes and tell whether they are white, black, Asian etc.

Even the DNA tests that do are merely finding commonalities in modern day geographic locations. You don’t have 5% ‘Swedish’ DNA. 5% of your DNA is commonly found in people who’ve been tested who live in sweden.

People need to stop using race as a means to stop people talking about biological sex.

She’s allowed her personal beliefs but a lot of people in Scotland don’t particularly want someone who’s anti-abortion, anti-gay marriage, anti-sex before marriage as First Minister.

Just because she's now saying that a biological man is a biological man doesn't suddenly endear her to me.

I'm not quite sure you've grasped the difference between a fact and a lie?
Transwomen are born male - always have been and always will.
Coercing people to deny that is wrong.

This needs to happen if there are any obliging SNP members reading.

If Kate broke the code so did humza, and it needs showing up for the absolute nonsense it is.

And that’s fine.

I do think that a candidate with her religious beliefs is going to struggle if they want to be FM. Exactly for the reasons you’ve outlined.

But there are separate issues where she should be entitled to private prayers.

and she shouldn’t be disciplined by the snp for making inoffensive to almost everyone statements of fact.

doesn’t mean she should be FM.

"I'm not quite sure you've grasped the difference between a fact and a lie?
Transwomen are born male - always have been and always will.
Coercing people to deny that is wrong."

Yes but if you are legally allowed to amend your birth certificate to your chosen gender then the lie is continued. The ones pushing for this want trans women to be seen as women from birth and until death -they aren't of course since no-one can change biological sex -that's a fact - they don't like facts. They want everyone to accept them as women - that's the lie that they want others to accept.