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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Non-binary Sam Brinton in court soon

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ArabellaScott · 15/02/2023 19:56

news.yahoo.com/nonbinary-former-biden-official-sam-165656140.html

'Brinton faces up to 10 years in prison for the alleged theft of the bag'

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Helleofabore · 23/02/2023 08:17

suggestionsplease1 · 23/02/2023 08:10

Oh hello! I am still waiting for a logical and coherent defence of binary sex thank you very much.

This was very evidently not forthcoming in the last thread.

Of course the binary view of sex is the most simple explanation of sex in comparison to the other ones that the proposed which involve more complexity, so the onus is on those who promote it to define and defend it.

This has not been done, accurate parameters were not given, which was clearly suggest that sex is more complicated than being binary.

I gave you one that you didn’t even acknowledge, I believe. Strange that. maybe I missed it.

You cannot give a coherent definition of gender . And you posted ten links which did nothing to evidence that sex was not binary. In fact, did you even read them?

Could you go back and post the accessible links to the ones that are not open, please?

And did you even read one that you posted that undermined the others you posted?

All very well trying to deflect from the fact that you seem to have a very low bar for evidence and have been convinced by theoretical discussion. But you are here claiming superior morality again, when I think by now most readers have picked up there is not much supporting your claims. they amount to just more negative generalisations.

suggestionsplease1 · 23/02/2023 08:18

Happylittlechicken · 23/02/2023 08:15

Oh you’re THAT @suggestionsplease1 ! I remember that thread. The one where the links did not say what you asserted so you wandered off…. Did you ever find out what the third sex Was called, what gamete it produces and what role it plays in reproduction?

It is up to those who have the most parsimonious explanation to defend that explanation.

This has not been achieved by those who promote sex binary. There has been no logical definition given that can encompass all human beings.

Please achieve it and we can talk again.

ArabellaScott · 23/02/2023 08:19

Did you miss the link above? From the Endocrine Society.

'Sex is dichotomous'.

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ArabellaScott · 23/02/2023 08:19

Also - 'parsimonious' - I do not think this means what you think it means.

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NotBadConsidering · 23/02/2023 08:20

So this is a thread about a man stealing women’s clothes at airports and it’s been co-opted by someone claiming the absurd idea that sex isn’t binary?

If sex isn’t binary and easy to identify how does Sam Brinton know whose suitcases to steal?

Helleofabore · 23/02/2023 08:21

Low bar for accepting theoretical discussion as being fact enough to make confident claims… but impossible to reach for proven and established science?

Yeah, seems like ideological thinking to me .

suggestionsplease1 · 23/02/2023 08:21

ArabellaScott · 23/02/2023 08:19

Did you miss the link above? From the Endocrine Society.

'Sex is dichotomous'.

😂 That paper is not promoting your concept of sex binary.

Happylittlechicken · 23/02/2023 08:24

suggestionsplease1 · 23/02/2023 08:18

It is up to those who have the most parsimonious explanation to defend that explanation.

This has not been achieved by those who promote sex binary. There has been no logical definition given that can encompass all human beings.

Please achieve it and we can talk again.

Well love. Let’s break it down. Each human being is a male or a female. There are no other sexes. And before you waffle on about people with DSD… no. They are not some other sex, they are male and female with heath issues, and to claim otherwise is frankly insulting and offensive So unless you have access to some super secret research that proves there is actually a third sex. Shhhhh child

Igneococcus · 23/02/2023 08:25

Maybe Sam Brinton makes a third type of gametes? Is that what suggestions suggests?
I'm a wee bit lost.

ArabellaScott · 23/02/2023 08:26

suggestionsplease1 · 23/02/2023 08:21

😂 That paper is not promoting your concept of sex binary.

Mate, you're just talking absolute mince.

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mirax · 23/02/2023 08:26

It is up to those who have the most parsimonious explanation to defend that explanation.

lol. Yes, it is good science to reach for the most convoluted and fantastical explanation for a phenomenon rather than the simplest and most logical.

mirax · 23/02/2023 08:29

Igneococcus · 23/02/2023 08:25

Maybe Sam Brinton makes a third type of gametes? Is that what suggestions suggests?
I'm a wee bit lost.

Apart from the Scottish "rapist" gamete, we now have the "steal and wear women's clothes gamete". So much complexity and growth in our understanding of Muh Science!

suggestionsplease1 · 23/02/2023 08:31

mirax · 23/02/2023 08:26

It is up to those who have the most parsimonious explanation to defend that explanation.

lol. Yes, it is good science to reach for the most convoluted and fantastical explanation for a phenomenon rather than the simplest and most logical.

No that would be terrible science of course.

But a simple explanation that is wrong would be worse, wouldn't it?

Happylittlechicken · 23/02/2023 08:36

@suggestionsplease1 so go on. Name the third sex, gametes and role in reproduction. Or are you saying you can’t because sex is actually binary?

Igneococcus · 23/02/2023 08:37

We have very clear evidence for two gamete types and absolutely fuck all evidence for a third gamete type, and we would have noticed by now, we really would have. And I said this before, no scientist would ignore real, plausible evidence for a third gamete, there would be a Nature paper in that.
Also, explain how a third gamete would work within evolution by the means of natural selection.

Datun · 23/02/2023 08:38

Blister · 23/02/2023 07:36

You can't blame me for thinking no one would wear stolen goods in public, to grand events! Multiple events...

I'm assuming he didn't realise these were custom made by the designer herself. He probably didn't imagine they could be identified as one offs.

Ugh. The poor woman. It really makes my flesh crawl, god knows what it does to her.

RichardBarrister · 23/02/2023 08:43

Sam Brinton has been accused but has not been convicted have they? And yet the chat unfolds as if it has.

I think the evidence is pretty clear as Sam has been photographed on a number of occasions wearing the one off clothes of a fashion designer whose case he stole. He is currently splashed all over social media with the irrefutable evidence of his crimes.

As they say ‘he has been caught bang to rights’.

This information has been available for a while now. I would be surprised if other women don’t come forward having identified a garment that he stole being worn by him in public.

This takes the creepiness of his thefts to a whole new level.

Datun · 23/02/2023 08:44

suggestionsplease1 · 23/02/2023 07:57

I am saying the hostile obsession promotes a culture of hostility to all trans people. Just as it did with lesbians in the 80s.

😁I bet you could tick the boxes in your sleep

Two in one post!

Rules of Misogyny

  1. The worst thing about male violence is that it makes men look bad.

  2. Women’s ability to recognize male behavior patterns is misandry.

Helleofabore · 23/02/2023 08:46

suggestionsplease1 · 23/02/2023 08:04

There seems be an obsession with makes in this, when actually surveys consistently show greater support for trans rights amongst women.

It's a special kind of misogyny that considers all these women as 'handmaidens' who are clearly influenced by men. As if we all can't make our own minds up on the issues FFS 🙄

I am putting this here for readers because I believe that this poster has been probably linked to this survey before.

docs.cdn.yougov.com/74l25pslh3/Internal_TransgenderIssues_220720_final_extraXbreak_FINAL.pdf

The relevant pages are page 13 for where 45% (not this is not more than half) women say that males should have access to female toilets because of their feelings.

Page 17 that figure falls to 34%.

And while technically more women still agree to males being in female toilets than men agree, this poster’s dishonesty is very obvious.

Anactor · 23/02/2023 08:48

"But a simple explanation that is wrong would be worse, wouldn't it?"

Actually, no. We use simple explanations that are 'wrong' all the time. Light doesn't really travel in straight lines, but it works for everyday purposes. Newtonian mechanics has been superseded by Einsteinian physics, but the Newtonian laws still get used a lot.

If you want to replace a simple explanation with a more complex one, normal practice is to prove that the more complex explanation provides the better description of reality. That's what happened with 'wavy light' and 'Einsteinian physics'.

Otherwise, you're just replacing something that works well enough with an unproven theory. Or, in your case, with an unproven theory where the current evidence is against it.

GrabbyGabby · 23/02/2023 08:48

And, have you ever seen Joe Biden parading with a butch lesbian for diversity credibility points? Nope, only creepy ass men wearing clothes that no woman in public life would be permitted to.

The double standards we are expected to swallow are nauseating. The blatant misogyny is off the fucking scale.

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 23/02/2023 08:51

ArabellaScott · 23/02/2023 08:26

Mate, you're just talking absolute mince.

I’m really into bringing phrases like ‘mince’ and ‘bobbins’ at the moment

‘Bollox’ is my current specialgender version but I think we need regional UK and NI dialect revival to push back against American cultural imperialism creep via the internet.

I appreciate you. 😍

In other news:
Brinton is a still an (alleged) sex pest and proven liar who targets women them desperately wishes they could be - creative, artistic, striking. The thought of them selecting they’s victims gives me THE SHIVERS.

Can any US Mumsnetters update us on the legal cases thus far?

Naunet · 23/02/2023 08:52

Just your standard male pervert, emboldened by cheering handmaids, fellow male perverts and a misogynist ideology. I hope he gets 10 years, but I’m not convinced he will, he’s too special.

Helleofabore · 23/02/2023 08:55

NotBadConsidering · 23/02/2023 08:20

So this is a thread about a man stealing women’s clothes at airports and it’s been co-opted by someone claiming the absurd idea that sex isn’t binary?

If sex isn’t binary and easy to identify how does Sam Brinton know whose suitcases to steal?

The expensive one that have pretty designs?

question is, have men’s suitcases also been stolen?

If not that is some accurate profiling Brinton does! Or as has been suggested they scope it out at check in.

ArabellaScott · 23/02/2023 08:56

Datun · 23/02/2023 08:38

I'm assuming he didn't realise these were custom made by the designer herself. He probably didn't imagine they could be identified as one offs.

Ugh. The poor woman. It really makes my flesh crawl, god knows what it does to her.

Bear in mind some personality disorders compel people to make very irrational choices.

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