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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

STURGEON IS QUITTING

986 replies

Clymene · 15/02/2023 09:59

Just seen on BBC headlines

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Shelefttheweb · 16/02/2023 15:44

SidewaysOtter · 16/02/2023 15:22

Out of interest, what's wrong with WOS?

Independence supporter. Many of us might agree with him on gender ideology but strongly disagree with him on independence.

RedToothBrush · 16/02/2023 15:54

Anactor · 16/02/2023 15:15

Comic Sans is an angelic type font which showers its blessings upon the dyslexic. Indeed, its effect on my sight reading is truly miraculous.

It is a bit over-used at primary level, though.

Other fonts for angelic helpfulness are available.

I still believe comic sans is demonic I'm afraid.

RedToothBrush · 16/02/2023 16:00

www.abstractfonts.com/font/5256
Gender Regular Font

scratchedbymycat · 16/02/2023 16:16

@SidewaysOtter

Independence supporter. Many of us might agree with him on gender ideology but strongly disagree with him on independence.

And ...

He's a divisive figure. I've never liked his snarky snippy style of writing either. During Indy ref he was quite vile, actually. And I had him pegged as very thin-skinned and nasty when he got defensive. I remember some unpleasant tweets towards women that were a bit misogynistic - wish I could remember the names of the targets. In fact, I blocked him because I found him so unpleasant. I used to be appalled that Indy supporting friends of mine would read him and quote him. The moment anyone mentioned WOS I'd switch off.

I do see elements of the same style now too: the way he gathers info together and then interprets it in a leading way. Usually with snark and tone and a smidgeon of aggression. I don't really trust him to be properly objective, so I'm reading it all with a very open mind and a touch of distaste and watching my own bias doesn't predispose me too much to what he says. He reminds me of conspiracy theorists.

I vaguely remember conflict between him and SNP too at some point. They possibly used him (fed him info then dumped him). I think he might have been hoping to go into politics ... but I'm genuinely dredging my memory here. Also, not being either a SNP or WOS fan I didn't follow it closely or pick a side. Pretty sure there was some sort of friction ....

scratchedbymycat · 16/02/2023 16:23

Oh yes ... there was this. I think his very thin skin and snarky attitude got him into this situation.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-52819373

"Wings over Scotland blogger loses Kezia Dugdale 'homophobic tweet' appeal"

ResisterRex · 16/02/2023 16:28

Wings and Craig Murray are useful to read, for some of the wider picture, or other things that may be happening. I think they both have blind spots though, especially around women. They don't quite get it.

I've always thought the legal action against Craig Murray and Alex Salmond had something a bit "off" about it. Couldn't quite tell you what, but things seemed as though they didn't completely add up somehow. Never looked closely at Wings and legal goings on though.

ResisterRex · 16/02/2023 16:42

Ouch. The list of policy failures, and comparisons with asking a politician the cost of a pint of milk, with the woman/penis question of today:

www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/10228510/i-worked-nicola-sturgeon-real-reason-quit/

senua · 16/02/2023 16:42

Chersfrozenface · 16/02/2023 12:37

I may get a T shirt.

I AM A DARK FORCE
or just
DARK FORCE

What font should I go for?

Surely it's this font

OMG12 · 16/02/2023 17:12

RedToothBrush · 16/02/2023 14:24

The Scotsman AT TheScotsman
Nicola Sturgeon has admitted she is "deeply" worried about women being put off entering politics due to the levels of abuse, misogyny and threats of sexual violence experienced on social media by those who "put their heads above the parapet".

FFS.
She didn't have an epiphany did she?

If she had been more worried about women being put off entering a bathroom because of levels of abuse, misogyny and threats of sexual violence maybe she would have still had a job!

Veryfishy · 16/02/2023 17:22

Chersfrozenface · 16/02/2023 10:29

If true I may take a trip down to Cardiff Bay and shout "DRAKEFORD, ARE YOU FUCKING WATCHING, ARE YOU FUCKING LISTENING?!"

I’ll be there with you 👍

Hoardasurass · 16/02/2023 17:47

Not sure if this has been posted yet but 🤣twitter.com/shiny02/status/1626151902412181504?s=20

SinnerBoy · 16/02/2023 17:53

If she had been more worried about women being put off entering a bathroom because of levels of abuse...

-more

+actually

SinnerBoy · 16/02/2023 17:55

Hoardasurass · Today 17:47

Not sure if this has been posted yet but

Very dry!

Sugarfree23 · 16/02/2023 18:05

Caught the 'traffic report' on the radio that wisnae a traffic report, going on about NS resignation speech, remember all those times she said she wanted to be judged on what she's done for Education, not a mention of Education in the speech!

hryllilegur · 16/02/2023 18:56

Sugarfree23 · 16/02/2023 18:05

Caught the 'traffic report' on the radio that wisnae a traffic report, going on about NS resignation speech, remember all those times she said she wanted to be judged on what she's done for Education, not a mention of Education in the speech!

Well… it’s not really something you’d want to be drawing attention to in sturgeon’s shoes.

There was probably a long list of elephants she was going to refuse to acknowledge in her solipsistic speech.

ResisterRex · 16/02/2023 19:30

Good Lord:

SNP president Mike Russell warns it would be “foolish” to ditch Nicola Sturgeon’s trans policies

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0729010a-adf0-11ed-91ef-347dcf6a25f6?shareToken=7e340d6ac34e89f376ed9568b12bef1a

Basically saying: "this thing that brought down our leader...let's do some more of it"

ArabellaScott · 16/02/2023 19:31

JFC, Mike Russell. Foolish, aye?

ResisterRex · 16/02/2023 19:34

And what's the legacy to build on? Failing education system? The ferries contract? Pushing through the demented bottle recycling scheme?

Anactor · 16/02/2023 20:10

Hmmm… do you think Mike Russell has heard of the ‘sunk cost fallacy’? Because it doesn’t just apply to money.

SerenaVanDerWoodsenHumphrey · 16/02/2023 21:26

Jumping back to Kate Forbes for a moment - Ian Blackford, until recently SNP leader at Westminster, is also Free Church. He has seemed to tow the Sturgeon-mandated SNP "progressive" line, and until recently when he was removed, rumours of discord have mostly been about him wanting to allow more dissent and diversity of thought than Sturgeon wanted.

There was a small kerfuffle after the UK Parliament voted through a raft of policies for NI including same sex marriage and limited abortion rights, during the period when NI had no functional government/parliament. Tabloids claimed that Blackford's church (the individual church he attended, not the denomination) had asked to speak with him about his vote FOR the bill. Blackford refused to comment, and the church quickly went silent, saying it was a private matter. Forbes was asked about the NI vote (hypothetical, as she's an MSP not an MP) and said she'd have abstained because the UK shouldn't legislate for NI in devolved matters. (Which was originally Sturgeon's position, although in the end she did allow a free vote.)

IF Forbes does enter the leadership race, I think the key is whether she's willing to say that as FM (and SNP leader) she would, if needed, be able to put aside personal views on (for example) abortion provision and support or even champion a policy at odds with her faith. She has previously said that she's in politics to represent her constituents not to push her own beliefs - but as others have said, there's a big difference between voting the party line when whipped, and being influential in setting the party line. If she does stand, I'm sure she'll be asked detailed questions on this at hustings and by the press.

I don't want to put words in Forbes's mouth, or Blackford's, so let's say some hypothetical candidate emerges who actually DOES say "I want to reduce abortion rights and limit same sex marriage". I would not personally vote for this position, BUT is it different in principle to Patrick Harvie's or Mhari Black's deeply heartfelt promises to remove and criminalise women's spaces and services ? Or Rishi Sunak's or Boris Johnson's to uphold hypercapitalism at all costs? Historically we've viewed faith as distinct from ideology, but if people like Harvie literally CANNOT listen to and consider another view, are faith and ideology (in this case) relevantly different in the way they impact constituents, and the country?

Waitwhat23 · 16/02/2023 21:32

Shauny Boy dusted off the red suit and wig -

'If Sturgeon's resignation was honest'

twitter.com/shiny02/status/1626151902412181504?s=20

Workerbeep · 16/02/2023 21:37

@SerenaVanDerWoodsenHumphrey i think you make some very good points here on faith and ideology.

CryInToYourCornflakesNicola · 16/02/2023 21:56

ArabellaScott · 16/02/2023 13:46

𝖉𝖆𝖗𝖐 𝖋𝖔𝖗𝖈𝖊𝖘 𝖍𝖆𝖛𝖊 𝖐𝖎𝖉𝖓𝖆𝖕𝖕𝖊𝖉 𝖈𝖔𝖒𝖎𝖈 𝖘𝖆𝖓𝖘

Hang on, we can have bigly letters AND different fonts, dark forces indeed.

Wanders off muttering to self about how to be in the dark forces, as has deffo already joined bigly letters, might even have been arabella who let me in the bigly letter club.

ArabellaScott · 16/02/2023 22:18

Ooh.

'Ash Regan, the minister who spearheaded the biggest rebellion in SNP history when she resigned her community safety post to oppose Sturgeon’s bill, has told friends she is likely to run for the leadership. She urged former SNP members who quit over Sturgeon’s stance on transgender rights to rejoin the party and participate in the election.'

ArabellaScott · 16/02/2023 22:19

If we join now, will we be eligible to vote, can anyone tell me?