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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

STURGEON IS QUITTING

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Clymene · 15/02/2023 09:59

Just seen on BBC headlines

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WickedSerious · 15/02/2023 17:17

@RedToothBrush I'm not promoting anything.

ArabellaScott · 15/02/2023 17:18

Wellies54 · 15/02/2023 17:01

Once upon a time there was an Empress called Nicola. She felt a bit sad because she had great ambitions but her popularity was beginning to wane. One day some weavers, dressed in Green, arrived at court and said that they could weave her a special cloth out of which a special suit could be made. The suit was so special that if she wore it, the people would love her again. The suit was called 'Some men are women and some women are men'. The weavers let it be known that only the progressive liberal people could see the suit and that everyone would love Nicola for being so amazingly liberal and progressive! To anyone who was a bigot, it would be invisible. Nicola felt great anticipation, but when she looked at the suit, she could not see it. With horror she realised that she must be a bigot. She resolved to lie and wear the suit because it seemed that everyone around her could, indeed see it. Nicola proudly dressed in her new outfit. She paraded it loudly and clearly; 'Some men are women, some women are men! Everyone is who they say they are!' She shouted down the bigots who could not see this new truth and hoped that she would appear as liberal and progressive as all of the amazing people around her. Then a rapist declared that he too was a woman and everyone saw that the suit was a lie. Nicola was naked. She could not speak the truth - the words; Isla Bryson is a man' could not come out of her mouth. All the people around her who had said they could see the suit slunk away and she was left with only those she had called bigots, laughing at her. Nicola knew that her dreams of being special had disintegrated and that no one would ever again believe a single word she said about anything so she resigned.

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BellaAmorosa · 15/02/2023 17:19

RedToothBrush · 15/02/2023 16:48

I think the fact that the GRR would have undermined law in England (hence the interference of the government that the SNP gifted to the Tories) is kind of relevant here. And one that many Scots - even ones who hate the Tories and like the idea of independence - are relieved about.

Its ironically, the right thing to have happened - because of democratic process.

Scots talk a lot about Westminster interferring in Scottish politics being a reason for independence. And yet this is event is essentially Holyrood over riding Westminster which is equally wrong.

Scandal is born from the weaknesses and overriding of checks and balances in politics and power. Everything about Sturgeon's demise is rooted in the same stuff. The whole debate over gender v women's rights is about a failure to understand checks and balances (aka as safeguarding) and trying to replace sex with gender outside the framework of the law and on the quiet. THATS ultimately one of the reasons its hitting so many issues and why there is a backlash - because policy is flawed and the legislation hasn't gone through fair, thorough and transparent scrutiny as expected in our democratic system. Not because a whole bunch of women (often very leftie women) are transphobic.

When we talk about all these issues theres one common theme that crops up: the public don't like abuses of power and 'unfairness' of something that does not have proper popular support (aka a proper democratic mandate) - regardless of who is responsible for it and their political affliation. Thats why people have referred to Sturgeon's having a 'Poll Tax Moment' in the run up to her decision.

Thats said - I don't believe that Sturgeon went solely for that particular topic. I think the reason the SNP and Sturgeon got to that point with the policy is a symptom of a wider issue in Scotland regarding a lack of checks and balances.

The financial investigation certainly also fits into that bracket of a lack of oversight leading to potentially dodgy practice. And that in itself is now meaning she's struggling for support within her own ranks because party members are starting to realise the gig is up. And she doesn't paricularly facing the battles within the party never mind out of it.

She has more in common with Boris Johnson and Liz Truss than she'd ever like to admit and most SNP members would like to admit (and Starmer needs to keep firmly in mind). And she's fallen into the same trap Blair did through being in power for too long and losing touch with reality and all good sense.

But yeah, I find it fascinating that we've just had The Rapist saga, there's been the Tavistock book exposing an absence of ethical and safeguarding practice, the Independence Ref Ruling to circumnavigate Parliament and this financial enquiry that this is the moment she decides to go. Its a build up of shit. None of which she mentioned in her (lengthy) speech.

She then had the audacity to through out the line about kinder, gentler more moderate and less divisive politics... and talk a lot about women rights and the futures of young people after throwing a bunch under the bus. Isn't that a lot like the 'Bumbling Baffoon' who was in office south of the border during her reign? (Reign being the appropriate word I might add).

She's definitely been told to jump ship before steering the ship onto the rocks. Whilst making out she's just reached a point where she's 'not committed enough'.

Same old, same old.

And it reinforces the point about lack of scrutiny, accountability and over sight which is rampant in British politics across the board. Its disgusting and utterly depressing to witness the same pattern and the same old shit.

That speech was basically her interview presentation for an international body - source of her next job, she hopes. Just virtue signalling on a big stage.

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 15/02/2023 17:19

SinnerBoy · 15/02/2023 16:57

ResisterRex · Today 16:44

I'm sure I read this is a problem financially as well. And that they may not have enough £££ in the meter, to be alright.

To be honest, as a natural Labour voter, I'm hoping it doesn't finish them off and they come to their bloody senses of the ridiculous trans stuff. It'd be disastrous for democracy if they went bust and left the Tories with an open field.

George Moonbat has this to say:

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/feb/15/sunak-labour-keir-starmer-labour-party

The impact of pursuing this case could be massive. It is likely to come to court early next year, coinciding with an election campaign. The horrendous content of some of the messages leaked in the files, and the civil war within the party that the suit may reignite, could scarcely be greater gifts to the Conservatives. If the Labour party loses, it could be liable for an estimated £3-4m in costs – a figure Labour denies – perhaps sufficient to bankrupt the party.

I know that locally Labour coffers have always been rather tight, even when membership numbers were at record levels.

We elect our council in thirds with a 4 year term, which means we have council elections 3 years in a row, then skip one.

Add in 3 General Elections in 4.5 years, plus the Brexit referendum (and we’ve also had an additional parliamentary by-election!) and by the time you’ve paid for all the leaflet printing and a few lost deposits in the handful of true blue wards (where the libdems come second) and the local party is left with nary enough to pay for a handful of cocktail sausages on sticks on count night.

It’s literally cash whip-rounds at branch and CLP meetings to cover the hall rental.

Labour are brassic. Keir is an idiot (or has some big Tory-party style donors lined up

ArabellaScott · 15/02/2023 17:22

hryllilegur · 15/02/2023 17:03

It is really depressing how SNP supporters use the whole ‘English rule’/‘Tory rule’ nonsense as diversion tactics to try to shut down any criticism of their long-standing government in Scotland.

It’s just not relevant. People are allowed to criticise Nicola Sturgeon and the Scottish government.

It's also just manifest bollocks. Most voters in Scotland are 'no' voters. (I say that as a former 'yes' voter).

And we do still live in a democracy, though it doesn't look like a very well functioning one right now. Scotland voted to stay in the Union and therefore to accept the UK government. It's possible to argue the rights or wrongs of that situation, but that's the facts.

ArabellaScott · 15/02/2023 17:24

That speech was basically her interview presentation for an international body - source of her next job, she hopes. Just virtue signalling on a big stage.

She wants to be a person fae the UN.

senua · 15/02/2023 17:26

Evan Davis is desperately trying not to mention trans and The Nicola's resignation in the same sentence.

SinnerBoy · 15/02/2023 17:26

@CryptoFascistMadameCholet

Labour are brassic. Keir is an idiot (or has some big Tory-party style donors lined up

He's managed to alienate some of the unions, who have stopped funding, or reduced it. He's a bungling nincompoop.

BellaAmorosa · 15/02/2023 17:27

IwantToRetire · 15/02/2023 16:48

I apologise in advance as I have not had time to read this thread so may be saying what other have already said.

thinking that because NS is stepping down everything is going to change is just not credible.

Does anyone really think that all those, not just in the SNP, but Labour and the Greens, who support the GRR are going to turn round and say, oh no the wicked with but a spell on us, we are so sorry, we will not push for the GRR to become law, and dont worry that Westminister will be rubbing their hands with glee, because we have suddenlty understood that women's rights are important.

If anything, I suspect MSPs will become more determined nad want to fulfil NS' "legacy".

Get ready.

I fear this as well. They are utterly wedded to genderwoo and all three of those parties have as part of their DNA the conviction that they know better than their constituents. In fairness, they do sometimes know better, but it's the conviction that they always do which is worrying because they will be prone to the same high-handed mistakes - ignoring reasoned opposition and refusal to interrogate their policies.

BaronMunchausen · 15/02/2023 17:28

Wiluli · 15/02/2023 16:39

Really ? Because it’s a lie that celebrations right now are all from right wing people ? Check tweeter or the news

If we were all right-wing then there would be no point in damning us by association. It only has impact if you think we're not.

Judging issues by who's on one side and who's on the other, rather than by examining those issues yourself based on evidence - is the essence of groupthink. Conflating the positions of feminists and the religious right on women's right to privacy, dignity and safety now is as shallow as it was a generation ago about pornography and prostitution. It's just stupid. Likewise left-wing opposition to western wars driven by humanitarianism and right-wing opposition to the same wars driven by isolationism. Who with half a brain and heart would have supported the invasion of Iraq because the BNP opposed it?. It's just stupid. Really stupid. Death and idiocy. Bedfellow politics is a shambles - an intellectual and moral disgrace - that is corrupting our political discourse.

Shelefttheweb · 15/02/2023 17:29

To be honest, as a natural Labour voter, I'm hoping it doesn't finish them off and they come to their bloody senses of the ridiculous trans stuff. It'd be disastrous for democracy if they went bust and left the Tories with an open field.

Why do you think Scottish Labour couldn’t pick up their vote? And why would people voting Tory by bad for democracy? Surely that would be democracy?

DrBlackbird · 15/02/2023 17:30

Scandal is born from the weaknesses and overriding of checks and balances in politics and power. Everything about Sturgeon's demise is rooted in the same stuff.

⬆️ completely agree with this sentiment.

Silvers11 · 15/02/2023 17:31

Wonder how many people posting on here are Scottish?

SinnerBoy · 15/02/2023 17:31

Shelefttheweb · Today 17:29

Why do you think Scottish Labour couldn’t pick up their vote? And why would people voting Tory by bad for democracy? Surely that would be democracy?

Scottish Labour can't pick the vote up in the National General Election. If Labour went bust and was unable to field candidates, it'd be a virtual one party state, which is very much undemocratic!

Wiluli · 15/02/2023 17:44

Silvers11 · 15/02/2023 17:31

Wonder how many people posting on here are Scottish?

Not many ! Probably don’t even live in Scotland or have any idea of what Scotland is truly like

Waitwhat23 · 15/02/2023 17:47

I work in the legal system and agree with you 100% on the threat of male violence towards women. But you can be concerned about that and also kind to trans kids and their families. That doesn’t mean allowing rapists into prisons but it means can we not navigate this issue with some empathy, on both sides and stop fuelling the hatred? How is that a controversial thing to say?

Women were told that their concerns 'weren't valid' and that 'rights aren't a pie'. This has been repeated ad nauseum along with the chilling scream of 'bigot!!!'. The mere suggestion that there needed to be a careful balancing of rights was met with memes of 'shut the fuck up terf'. Women were sent death threats for pointing out that letting all males into single sex female spaces was a recipe for disaster. Women consistently pointed out that the Tavistock and Sandyford clinics were doing worrying practices and pointed out that the 3000% rise in teenage girls identifying as boys should be investigated before they were unquestioningly directed towards medical transition - they were told to 'fuck off and die'.

'Bad as both sides' won't wash.

The re-writing of history won't wash.

Waitwhat23 · 15/02/2023 17:48

Silvers11 · 15/02/2023 17:31

Wonder how many people posting on here are Scottish?

Several I know of, including myself.

guinnessguzzler · 15/02/2023 17:51

Just caught up. Honestly, you go on holiday for a few days! Still, not surprised, I knew she was done for a few weeks ago. She must be raging.

Topsyturvy78 · 15/02/2023 17:52

Exactly BoJo, partygatr then the absolute shambles coming out. Multiplr MPs resigned the cabinet falling apart. That health secretary what's his face I've forgot. Jacob Reece mog. They're just a few I can remember. And all that waffle. New Zealand and Australia also had female PM's and they're numbers were low. Maybe we might have been better with Theresa may.

persister · 15/02/2023 17:52

Kate Forbes is Wee Free and anti-abortion, isn't she? So not exactly a defender of women's rights.

ArabellaScott · 15/02/2023 18:01

SinnerBoy · 15/02/2023 17:26

@CryptoFascistMadameCholet

Labour are brassic. Keir is an idiot (or has some big Tory-party style donors lined up

He's managed to alienate some of the unions, who have stopped funding, or reduced it. He's a bungling nincompoop.

I read alienate some of the unicorns.

ArabellaScott · 15/02/2023 18:02

Wiluli · 15/02/2023 17:44

Not many ! Probably don’t even live in Scotland or have any idea of what Scotland is truly like

Away and shite ye wee nyaff.

BlackForestCake · 15/02/2023 18:04

@ArabellaScott Unicorns don't vote so that doesn't matter much

SinnerBoy · 15/02/2023 18:05

Wiluli · Today 17:44

Wonder how many people posting on here are Scottish? Not many ! Probably don’t even live in Scotland or have any idea of what Scotland is truly like

I'm not, I'm a Geordie, but I was living in Aberdeen at the time of the Devo Ref. I abstained, even though I was eligible. I've probably spent 3 years there on projects, outside of actually living there.