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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

STURGEON IS QUITTING

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Clymene · 15/02/2023 09:59

Just seen on BBC headlines

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FrostyFifi · 15/02/2023 16:34

Oh, you'll have to paint your nose blue, now.

Wasn't it arses in the time of Willy Wallace? Choices, choices...

SinnerBoy · 15/02/2023 16:38

Sugarfree23 · Today 16:26

What we all need now is for Keir to also stand aside.

He's about to have his own legal troubles, because he's taking five alleged leakers to court, over the investigation into anti-Semitism, which he squashed and failed to hand over to the Equalities body. Because it made the anti Corbyn lot look even worse, by stymieing complaints, to make it seem that Corbyn was doing nothing about it, counterfactually.

He's got very little chance of winning, because they may have whistleblower protections and he's ignored about another ten people who had access, because they're allies.

THEDEACON · 15/02/2023 16:38

Gutted! I don't fancy any of the possible replacements as First Minister Nicola has been checked in one of the top two jobs almost sixteen years and politics is BRUTAL she deserves some down time .

Wiluli · 15/02/2023 16:39

Sugarfree23 · 15/02/2023 16:18

Now that's a bigoted comment if ever there was one.

Really ? Because it’s a lie that celebrations right now are all from right wing people ? Check tweeter or the news

HopRockers · 15/02/2023 16:39

Thank fuck for that.

Now slightly terrified about which numpty will replace her she's worked hard to make sure the SNP is filled with empty heads.
Whoever it is must remember #womenwontwheesht

Also
Whoever it was spouting nonsense- I'm Scottish in Scotland & think NS has been terrible for Scotland. Not just the GRR bill but the drug capital of Europe, the education standards slipping so much they took us out of the league table, named fucking person, ferries, A9 etc etc

I can't wait for the money trail to be followed properly

SinnerBoy · 15/02/2023 16:39

FrostyFifi · Today 16:34

- -Oh, you'll have to paint your nose blue, now. - -

Wasn't it arses in the time of Willy Wallace? Choices, choices...

It's what the Celtic fans call them.

SerafinasGoose · 15/02/2023 16:40

Sends the right message.

Throw women under the bus politically and we WILL return the favour.

Wiluli · 15/02/2023 16:40

BaronMunchausen · 15/02/2023 15:47

@Wiluli I guess everyone here is either English or really doesn’t care we stay under English rule for another hundreds of years

Strange as it might seem, there are people here who aren't even British 😱

Some of us attach importance to the rights of women and girls internationally.

Then you should be very scared if having Scotland under a Tory government

SinnerBoy · 15/02/2023 16:41

Scotland won't be under a Tory Government.

ResisterRex · 15/02/2023 16:44

SinnerBoy · 15/02/2023 16:38

Sugarfree23 · Today 16:26

What we all need now is for Keir to also stand aside.

He's about to have his own legal troubles, because he's taking five alleged leakers to court, over the investigation into anti-Semitism, which he squashed and failed to hand over to the Equalities body. Because it made the anti Corbyn lot look even worse, by stymieing complaints, to make it seem that Corbyn was doing nothing about it, counterfactually.

He's got very little chance of winning, because they may have whistleblower protections and he's ignored about another ten people who had access, because they're allies.

I'm sure I read this is a problem financially as well. And that they may not have enough £££ in the meter, to be alright. Will see if I can find it.

WickedSerious · 15/02/2023 16:45

hongkongmum · 15/02/2023 13:44

I work in the legal system and agree with you 100% on the threat of male violence towards women. But you can be concerned about that and also kind to trans kids and their families. That doesn’t mean allowing rapists into prisons but it means can we not navigate this issue with some empathy, on both sides and stop fuelling the hatred? How is that a controversial thing to say?

What are 'trans kids'?

yestheyhavethesamedad · 15/02/2023 16:46

Does anyone know if Kate Forbes is eligible to run for 1st minister , upposedly she was favourite , so wondering if done now before she returns from maternity so cnt run

FrostyFifi · 15/02/2023 16:46

It's what the Celtic fans call them

Yes, I was expanding on the theme, if I have to get the blue paint in anyway I might as well get stuck in on several body parts.

RedToothBrush · 15/02/2023 16:48

BaronMunchausen · 15/02/2023 15:47

@Wiluli I guess everyone here is either English or really doesn’t care we stay under English rule for another hundreds of years

Strange as it might seem, there are people here who aren't even British 😱

Some of us attach importance to the rights of women and girls internationally.

I think the fact that the GRR would have undermined law in England (hence the interference of the government that the SNP gifted to the Tories) is kind of relevant here. And one that many Scots - even ones who hate the Tories and like the idea of independence - are relieved about.

Its ironically, the right thing to have happened - because of democratic process.

Scots talk a lot about Westminster interferring in Scottish politics being a reason for independence. And yet this is event is essentially Holyrood over riding Westminster which is equally wrong.

Scandal is born from the weaknesses and overriding of checks and balances in politics and power. Everything about Sturgeon's demise is rooted in the same stuff. The whole debate over gender v women's rights is about a failure to understand checks and balances (aka as safeguarding) and trying to replace sex with gender outside the framework of the law and on the quiet. THATS ultimately one of the reasons its hitting so many issues and why there is a backlash - because policy is flawed and the legislation hasn't gone through fair, thorough and transparent scrutiny as expected in our democratic system. Not because a whole bunch of women (often very leftie women) are transphobic.

When we talk about all these issues theres one common theme that crops up: the public don't like abuses of power and 'unfairness' of something that does not have proper popular support (aka a proper democratic mandate) - regardless of who is responsible for it and their political affliation. Thats why people have referred to Sturgeon's having a 'Poll Tax Moment' in the run up to her decision.

Thats said - I don't believe that Sturgeon went solely for that particular topic. I think the reason the SNP and Sturgeon got to that point with the policy is a symptom of a wider issue in Scotland regarding a lack of checks and balances.

The financial investigation certainly also fits into that bracket of a lack of oversight leading to potentially dodgy practice. And that in itself is now meaning she's struggling for support within her own ranks because party members are starting to realise the gig is up. And she doesn't paricularly facing the battles within the party never mind out of it.

She has more in common with Boris Johnson and Liz Truss than she'd ever like to admit and most SNP members would like to admit (and Starmer needs to keep firmly in mind). And she's fallen into the same trap Blair did through being in power for too long and losing touch with reality and all good sense.

But yeah, I find it fascinating that we've just had The Rapist saga, there's been the Tavistock book exposing an absence of ethical and safeguarding practice, the Independence Ref Ruling to circumnavigate Parliament and this financial enquiry that this is the moment she decides to go. Its a build up of shit. None of which she mentioned in her (lengthy) speech.

She then had the audacity to through out the line about kinder, gentler more moderate and less divisive politics... and talk a lot about women rights and the futures of young people after throwing a bunch under the bus. Isn't that a lot like the 'Bumbling Baffoon' who was in office south of the border during her reign? (Reign being the appropriate word I might add).

She's definitely been told to jump ship before steering the ship onto the rocks. Whilst making out she's just reached a point where she's 'not committed enough'.

Same old, same old.

And it reinforces the point about lack of scrutiny, accountability and over sight which is rampant in British politics across the board. Its disgusting and utterly depressing to witness the same pattern and the same old shit.

ArabellaScott · 15/02/2023 16:48

yestheyhavethesamedad · 15/02/2023 16:46

Does anyone know if Kate Forbes is eligible to run for 1st minister , upposedly she was favourite , so wondering if done now before she returns from maternity so cnt run

She's been mooted as a potential candidate. I guess it's possible, she was due back early this year.

IwantToRetire · 15/02/2023 16:48

I apologise in advance as I have not had time to read this thread so may be saying what other have already said.

thinking that because NS is stepping down everything is going to change is just not credible.

Does anyone really think that all those, not just in the SNP, but Labour and the Greens, who support the GRR are going to turn round and say, oh no the wicked with but a spell on us, we are so sorry, we will not push for the GRR to become law, and dont worry that Westminister will be rubbing their hands with glee, because we have suddenlty understood that women's rights are important.

If anything, I suspect MSPs will become more determined nad want to fulfil NS' "legacy".

Get ready.

BellaAmorosa · 15/02/2023 16:53

ResisterRex · 15/02/2023 16:44

I'm sure I read this is a problem financially as well. And that they may not have enough £££ in the meter, to be alright. Will see if I can find it.

I hope you do, @ResisterRex .
I would be interested.

StatisticallyChallenged · 15/02/2023 16:54

yestheyhavethesamedad · 15/02/2023 16:46

Does anyone know if Kate Forbes is eligible to run for 1st minister , upposedly she was favourite , so wondering if done now before she returns from maternity so cnt run

She was due back early this year (January was being floated at one point, I suspect she decided to keep her bloody head down a while longer!)

Don't see how they could make her ineligible due to maternity - the stink would be epic.

She seems a likely candidate because the GRR mess is so bad and now pretty toxic. Thanks to her well timed baby she is about the only person who is fairly clear of it - known to not be a fan, but wasn't involved in pushing it through or in rebelling. If she wants the job - which she might not - then she could be a shoe-in

SinnerBoy · 15/02/2023 16:57

ResisterRex · Today 16:44

I'm sure I read this is a problem financially as well. And that they may not have enough £££ in the meter, to be alright.

To be honest, as a natural Labour voter, I'm hoping it doesn't finish them off and they come to their bloody senses of the ridiculous trans stuff. It'd be disastrous for democracy if they went bust and left the Tories with an open field.

George Moonbat has this to say:

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/feb/15/sunak-labour-keir-starmer-labour-party

The impact of pursuing this case could be massive. It is likely to come to court early next year, coinciding with an election campaign. The horrendous content of some of the messages leaked in the files, and the civil war within the party that the suit may reignite, could scarcely be greater gifts to the Conservatives. If the Labour party loses, it could be liable for an estimated £3-4m in costs – a figure Labour denies – perhaps sufficient to bankrupt the party.

Wellies54 · 15/02/2023 17:01

Once upon a time there was an Empress called Nicola. She felt a bit sad because she had great ambitions but her popularity was beginning to wane. One day some weavers, dressed in Green, arrived at court and said that they could weave her a special cloth out of which a special suit could be made. The suit was so special that if she wore it, the people would love her again. The suit was called 'Some men are women and some women are men'. The weavers let it be known that only the progressive liberal people could see the suit and that everyone would love Nicola for being so amazingly liberal and progressive! To anyone who was a bigot, it would be invisible. Nicola felt great anticipation, but when she looked at the suit, she could not see it. With horror she realised that she must be a bigot. She resolved to lie and wear the suit because it seemed that everyone around her could, indeed see it. Nicola proudly dressed in her new outfit. She paraded it loudly and clearly; 'Some men are women, some women are men! Everyone is who they say they are!' She shouted down the bigots who could not see this new truth and hoped that she would appear as liberal and progressive as all of the amazing people around her. Then a rapist declared that he too was a woman and everyone saw that the suit was a lie. Nicola was naked. She could not speak the truth - the words; Isla Bryson is a man' could not come out of her mouth. All the people around her who had said they could see the suit slunk away and she was left with only those she had called bigots, laughing at her. Nicola knew that her dreams of being special had disintegrated and that no one would ever again believe a single word she said about anything so she resigned.

hryllilegur · 15/02/2023 17:03

It is really depressing how SNP supporters use the whole ‘English rule’/‘Tory rule’ nonsense as diversion tactics to try to shut down any criticism of their long-standing government in Scotland.

It’s just not relevant. People are allowed to criticise Nicola Sturgeon and the Scottish government.

RedToothBrush · 15/02/2023 17:05

WickedSerious · 15/02/2023 16:45

What are 'trans kids'?

Being kind to 'transkids' includes taking note of two very series investigations into the Tavistock - one by a senior investigative journalist, the other sanctioned by the government itself - which have highlighted series concerns about whether some of the kids going through the system are indeed 'trans' or very vulnerable children with other issues - such as being gay, sexually abused or victims of munchasens or other forms of coercion AND dubious data and absence research into whether the methods being used are either effective or causing serious long term harms.

Being kind to 'transkids' includes protecting them from harms and allowing them to make informed decisions.

The most notable of which is making sure they know the difference between sex and gender and how transition isn't a magic bullet that many activists are wrongly promoting to them. Like you.

Thats not hate. Thats loving kids enough to understand they deserve the same level of care and support as any other goddam child. Rather than being sacrified to the altar of gender identity by adult groups and agendas which are fundamentally different (late transitioning males do not have the same interests, objective and vulnerabilities as children but are being lumped into the same group to further the aims and agendas of adults).

Slothtoes · 15/02/2023 17:10

Wow I have been at work all day and just heard this on the news! Hope it is the start of a better government for women in Scotland.

BaronMunchausen · 15/02/2023 17:12

hongkongmum · 15/02/2023 13:52

I’d love to see a tiny % of the anger here towards NS for the decision with prisons towards the Tory party for the shambles they have created with the court system which means rapists aren’t prosecuted and the Met Police are a disgrace. That’s a far bigger threat to women than trans people are.

But there has been a lot of anger here about the Tories, the rape prosecution rates, and the Met police! You must know that, surely? You also accuse posters of being unkind towards trans children, yet don't cite examples. Your comments consequently imply that this particular thread shouldn't exist and we shouldn't be angry ('angry' apparently being the feminine of 'vocal') about the erosion of sex-based rights. Because it "fuels hatred"?

JoonT · 15/02/2023 17:14

Ah well, the SNP will just have to find another snarling, sanctimonious bully who hates the English. Shouldn’t be difficult.

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