STURGEON IS QUITTING

[Clymene]

Just seen on BBC headlines

Such is the problem when you're trying to communicate with/be communicated at by someone who has invented their own reality, and frames anyone pointing out actual reality, facts, history, as evil and doing it purely to be nasty to him.

There is no such thing as a transgender child.

There are only naturally gender non conforming children and children who are distressed by puberty and confused about gender.
Sometimes these two overlap.

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/01/30/snp-accused-spending-600000-propaganda-campaign/

SNP ministers have been criticised for spending more than £600,000 on a “propaganda” campaign which experts said was designed to fuel their push for independence rather than help vulnerable Scots.

I work in the legal system and agree with you 100% on the threat of male violence towards women. But you can be concerned about that and also kind to trans kids and their families.

Trust me, if you voice any concern about that, you will invite large amounts of hatred and abuse to rain down on you. Look at JK Rowling. She has voiced her concern intelligently and compassionately, and never spoken hatefully of anyone, and she gets constant rape and death threats and is called a fascist nazi murdering scum (and so on) on a daily basis.

I am all for getting it right HKM but not at the expense of women.

Your ‘be kind’ stuff won’t wash if it means women are overlooked.

If you see a hateful comment feel free to report it. I assume you have gone on to Terfisaslur and reported every single one of the comments on there too or don't you might people reading those. Have you complained to the BBC about their report of yet another family annihilator appearing to suggest that the cause was the woman filing for divorce? I assume you raised the issue of the decapitate Terf signs with the SNP?

If #BeKind is going to work then it has to be applied equally by both sides. Otherwise it becomes "women budge up and shut up".

It's controversial because GC feminists are not fuelling the hatred. They are empathetic to children who feel confused, and want them to have appropriate spaces in which to explore those thoughts that don't mean making irreversible decisions. Allowing them to be gender non-confiorming, allowing them to explore sexual orientation, supporting neurodiversity to help children feel that they fit in - that IS being kind to trans kids and their families. Pretending they can change sex isn't helpful.

www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/scottish-news/snp-under-pressure-return-missing-28612097

Nicola Sturgeon's party raised the cash from supporters between 2017 and 2019 to spend on a new campaign for separation. SNP bosses said they would “ring-fence” the spending but the sum was then allegedly spent elsewhere, sparking several allegations of fraud. Some party insiders claim the money has already been spent on legal fees and refurbishing the party’s Edinburgh headquarters.

The 'hate' is coming from those with placards about 'behead women who don't do what we tell them' and sexual violence threats, isn't it?

Are you really saying that if women stop pointing out and fighting against serious sex offender men raping women in prison, and women being excluded, and women just naicely accept handing over their equality and rights, that teenagers will be safe from knife crime?

Really?

So be better than them. When you make hateful comments the hatful people don’t hear it. The trans kids do and your kids so and it creates more and more fear and hatred.

Give some examples of hateful comments here please.

a murder, any murder, is terrible. It doesn't change the fact the victim was a biological male and their parents should have gotten them proper support, instead of going along with it, possibly changing schools, and thus protected them from the bullying they experienced or the gender pushers.

Back to NS, I doubt any replacement will garner the same support for independence that NS managed to do, and that's good. They also need to either backtrack on gender, or go full throttle, and neither will be a popular decision.

Unless women have been going round threatening rape and decapitation, I'm not seeing the "both sides" business here

Can I recommend that you go and post this on twitter and on social media sites where women who disagree with allowing males into female single sex spaces are threatened and abused as well as here?

And while you are here, could you please post where you have found 'hatred' towards trans people on this board?

Because that is a very serious accusation if you were meaning this board.

hongkongmum · Today 13:41

When you make hateful comments the hatful people don’t hear it. The trans kids do and your kids so and it creates more and more fear and hatred.

Can you please link to some of the hateful comments you've seen here? Plenty of us would be happy to report them to MNHQ.

Thanks in advance.

What's makes that Brainna any different from Isla?

Women cannot afford to allow safeguarding to slip for any men. Far to many will find the loopholes and exploit them.

Which is worse

You can’t change sex and women deserve single sex spaces or decapitate terfs

Violence and inciting violence is at women not by them

Teenaged knife crime is abhorrent. It's appalling. A teen died locally not long ago, it is a huge and serious issue. So is bullying.

And so is the issue of sex offender men being put in women's prisons, and the issue in general of female people needing female spaces and biological recognition.

Both things can be dealt with. And speculating about a crime without the full facts being known anyway is unhelpful to the case and particularly to the family that have lost their child.

I’d love to see a tiny % of the anger here towards NS for the decision with prisons towards the Tory party for the shambles they have created with the court system which means rapists aren’t prosecuted and the Met Police are a disgrace. That’s a far bigger threat to women than trans people are.

Women shut up about the rapes and exclusions and access and death and rape threats and look at my squirrel!

No.

It is vile seeing what people will use to try and stop women saying things men do not want publicly discussed.

I actually think the GRR is part of her resignation reasons. Alex Salmond was just interviewed and, although he did not name GRR directly, he spoke of how the problem for the independence movement was when that movement was associated with the workings of government, and how that was fine when government was perceived well, but not when they were not, and then he spoke of the past few weeks in Scotland

And the fact that neither he nor NS nor anyone else who supports independence or GRR are naming it. At all. That’s the clearest sign that they have realized how toxic it is. And when the SNPs’ recent strategy has been the desperate one of slurring and calling names anyone who disagrees with them, as they did on a question time this week, and NS desperately trying to reposition herself as reasonable rather than calling people bigots and racists in her resignation speech, I think we can see the GRR is now seen as a toxic and mistaken political move they want to disassociate themselves and the independence cause from.

I do hope Plaid Cymru and Mark Drakeford take note!

Firstly, there's no such thing as a trans kid. There's confused and distressed children, and desperate, bewildered parents being manipulated by activists larping as health professionals.

Secondly, I don't owe anyone kindness. #bekind is a dogwhistly intended to silence women, stop us asking questions, and erode our boundaries.

Thirdly, I don't owe anyone empathy. What we women are owed, in law, are spaces and facilities free of men when that is needed. And we're not giving them up.

hongkongmum · Today 13:52

I’d love to see a tiny % of the anger here towards NS for the decision with prisons towards the Tory party for the shambles they have created with the court system which means rapists aren’t prosecuted and the Met Police are a disgrace. That’s a far bigger threat to women than trans people are.

Why can't both issues be solved?

Oh and I would also like to add. You said: "That doesn’t mean allowing rapists into prisons".

That's exactly what it does mean. Why do you think Sturgeon ended up having to resign?

Glad Sturgeon has called it a day - not before time. But I think the last thing Labour needs now is a leadership contest. Starmer has banned Corbyn from standing at the next election, and the equalities watchdog has released the party from monitoring. It’s a start. Hopefully this is the start of a few victories for common sense.

@hongkongmum
Why not start a thread of your own? Stop derailing this one, which is about Sturgeon's resignation.