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Let Women SPeak - Australia & NZ tour

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ZombieMumEB · 11/02/2023 06:41

I am so excited that this is coming to Australia - I will hopefully be attending.

Anyone else?

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Helleofabore · 19/03/2023 10:50

Astralitzia · 19/03/2023 10:44

Regardless of context, I am deeply uncomfortable with anyone celebrating a woman(?) being forcibly grabbed around the throat by a man. That's not good security, that's just thuggishness.

Has anyone ‘celebrated’ it in this thread?

GlorianaCervixia · 19/03/2023 10:53

Here is the statement from the leader of the Victorian Liberals.

Let Women SPeak - Australia & NZ tour
Astralitzia · 19/03/2023 10:56

Helleofabore · 19/03/2023 10:50

Has anyone ‘celebrated’ it in this thread?

KJK made a gleeful tweet about it, and posters on this thread have been rather dismissive about it.

I'm just not comfortable with it.

Helleofabore · 19/03/2023 11:12

Astralitzia · 19/03/2023 10:56

KJK made a gleeful tweet about it, and posters on this thread have been rather dismissive about it.

I'm just not comfortable with it.

Dismissive how?

By not centering this person? By pointing out how they seemed to have waited right there in front to carry out their own act of aggression at the very least, violence if you want to add emotion to the act, because it was done in surprise and using force?

Are you trained in subduing a person in that scenario? What is the correct method to subdue such a person is, because I am keen to know?

Are you comfortable at the actions of this person before security stepped in?

WildIris · 19/03/2023 11:13

Astralitzia · 19/03/2023 10:56

KJK made a gleeful tweet about it, and posters on this thread have been rather dismissive about it.

I'm just not comfortable with it.

It has been confirmed by many people at the event that it was a man - a photo has shown him without his wig on. Stop lying and twisting things to suit your agenda.

Are you saying that Kellie has tweeted that she is happy a male security guard ‘grabbed him around the neck/face/chin/whatever’? I think more lies from you!

From the footage shown, it looks to me that the security guard had his hand on the man’s chin. If you don’t like that, then contact the security firm involved and make a complaint. But no, here you are on a feminist board blaming women for a man’s behaviour.

Onnabugeisha · 19/03/2023 11:16
Britney Spears Reaction GIF

🤣 Of course neo-NAZIs stand with KJK. I have been saying for ages KJK is a liability to women’s rights. Any feminist with any morals has distanced herself from her by now.

Why? Because this isn’t the first time for KJK insofar as links to the religiously intolerant.

Theres the long and overtly friendly podcast she did with white supremacist neo nazi Jean Gapriey in Canada. There’s the selfie of her with Holocaust denier Hans Johansen when she attended a known anti-Semite conference. The collaboration with the Christian Religious Right organisations in the US including using Proud Boy armed thugs as “personal security”. Plus her many friendly pod casts with Carl Benjamin, Hearts of Oak founder which replaced the Tommy Robinson’s EDL, on his Lotus Eaters channels. And that’s just from memory. I’m sure if I took the time to do more digging, I’d find more questionable shit she’s been up to lately.

You’d have to have a lot of blind faith if you seriously think KJK has no ties and no associations to racist neo-nazis at this point or to believe her blonde bimbo, “I didn’t know so and so was like that at all 🥹 Oops, I did it again. 🥺 oh, and please send me money for legal fees as I’m being oppressed- click to leave a prayer or click to transfer cash to my account.”

Datun · 19/03/2023 11:18

GlorianaCervixia · 19/03/2023 10:53

Here is the statement from the leader of the Victorian Liberals.

Is he really claiming that moira deeming is a neo Nazi for attending SFW?

Sounds professional

Helleofabore · 19/03/2023 11:19

GlorianaCervixia · 19/03/2023 10:53

Here is the statement from the leader of the Victorian Liberals.

So the Vic Libs have taken the narrative about the ‘far right’ and looked no further.

Paul Keating’s roasting of the journos and pollies last week really should have been a wake up call, harsh and raw as it was to some I am sure.

Astralitzia · 19/03/2023 11:21

WildIris · 19/03/2023 11:13

It has been confirmed by many people at the event that it was a man - a photo has shown him without his wig on. Stop lying and twisting things to suit your agenda.

Are you saying that Kellie has tweeted that she is happy a male security guard ‘grabbed him around the neck/face/chin/whatever’? I think more lies from you!

From the footage shown, it looks to me that the security guard had his hand on the man’s chin. If you don’t like that, then contact the security firm involved and make a complaint. But no, here you are on a feminist board blaming women for a man’s behaviour.

What have I lied about? I didnt say it was a woman. I said (?)woman because I was unsure. The only person twisting words here is you.

It's on KJKs twitter feed, you can see for yourself. She's posted the photo with a gleeful comment.

I am not blaming KJK for the security guards behaviour, I am uncomfortable that she finds it something to applaud.

I remain uncomfortable with this sort of situation and the celebration of it regardless of whether or not I agree with the person being strangled.

Datun · 19/03/2023 11:22

Onnabugeisha · 19/03/2023 11:16

🤣 Of course neo-NAZIs stand with KJK. I have been saying for ages KJK is a liability to women’s rights. Any feminist with any morals has distanced herself from her by now.

Why? Because this isn’t the first time for KJK insofar as links to the religiously intolerant.

Theres the long and overtly friendly podcast she did with white supremacist neo nazi Jean Gapriey in Canada. There’s the selfie of her with Holocaust denier Hans Johansen when she attended a known anti-Semite conference. The collaboration with the Christian Religious Right organisations in the US including using Proud Boy armed thugs as “personal security”. Plus her many friendly pod casts with Carl Benjamin, Hearts of Oak founder which replaced the Tommy Robinson’s EDL, on his Lotus Eaters channels. And that’s just from memory. I’m sure if I took the time to do more digging, I’d find more questionable shit she’s been up to lately.

You’d have to have a lot of blind faith if you seriously think KJK has no ties and no associations to racist neo-nazis at this point or to believe her blonde bimbo, “I didn’t know so and so was like that at all 🥹 Oops, I did it again. 🥺 oh, and please send me money for legal fees as I’m being oppressed- click to leave a prayer or click to transfer cash to my account.”

'Blonde bimbo'.

It's always the hair isn't it?

Seriously Onnabugeisha, I'm certain a monroe-esque 'do' is achievable for you too. Just ask your local salon. Take a pic of KJK to show the stylist. They like to work off an example of what you want.

FOJN · 19/03/2023 11:23

Onnabugeisha

You must have missed their public denunciation of KJK. They were there to silence women and start a fight with the TRA's.

Oops I didn't do any research again.

NecessaryScene · 19/03/2023 11:24

I’m sure if I took the time to do more digging, I’d find more questionable shit she’s been up to lately.

Come on then, so what's the new "link" supposed to be? You forgot to state it. Have you not figured out how to add it to your rather weak list?

Datun · 19/03/2023 11:24

You must have missed their public denunciation of KJK.

I doubt it

Helleofabore · 19/03/2023 11:27

Is this the individual?

Helleofabore · 19/03/2023 11:27

twitter.com/richsadi/status/1637263463151198210?s=46&t=HTxp6zC_d4GZ2FFv4a-YeQ

the link. Apologies

FOJN · 19/03/2023 11:27

It's on KJKs twitter feed, you can see for yourself. She's posted the photo with a gleeful comment.

As are references to the assaults this man commited and the images of him literally being dragged away by the police screaming fuck terfs. The security were heavy handed because credible threats had been made against the organisers and attendees of the LWS event and he rushed the mic.

Perhaps you think a seriously injured women is preferable to a roughly restrained man. Shocking that the optics are that deemed more palatable in 2023.

WildIris · 19/03/2023 11:32

Astralitzia · 19/03/2023 11:21

What have I lied about? I didnt say it was a woman. I said (?)woman because I was unsure. The only person twisting words here is you.

It's on KJKs twitter feed, you can see for yourself. She's posted the photo with a gleeful comment.

I am not blaming KJK for the security guards behaviour, I am uncomfortable that she finds it something to applaud.

I remain uncomfortable with this sort of situation and the celebration of it regardless of whether or not I agree with the person being strangled.

If you’d read this thread, you would have seen it confirmed it was a man. So your typing ‘?woman’ was deliberate, I guess.

Kellie saying that the security guard dealt with the man in question is not being gleeful.

The way people who hate KJK twist events, lie and blame her for men’s behaviour is awful. Such sisterhood 🙄.

Helleofabore · 19/03/2023 11:34

Onnabugeisha · 19/03/2023 11:16

🤣 Of course neo-NAZIs stand with KJK. I have been saying for ages KJK is a liability to women’s rights. Any feminist with any morals has distanced herself from her by now.

Why? Because this isn’t the first time for KJK insofar as links to the religiously intolerant.

Theres the long and overtly friendly podcast she did with white supremacist neo nazi Jean Gapriey in Canada. There’s the selfie of her with Holocaust denier Hans Johansen when she attended a known anti-Semite conference. The collaboration with the Christian Religious Right organisations in the US including using Proud Boy armed thugs as “personal security”. Plus her many friendly pod casts with Carl Benjamin, Hearts of Oak founder which replaced the Tommy Robinson’s EDL, on his Lotus Eaters channels. And that’s just from memory. I’m sure if I took the time to do more digging, I’d find more questionable shit she’s been up to lately.

You’d have to have a lot of blind faith if you seriously think KJK has no ties and no associations to racist neo-nazis at this point or to believe her blonde bimbo, “I didn’t know so and so was like that at all 🥹 Oops, I did it again. 🥺 oh, and please send me money for legal fees as I’m being oppressed- click to leave a prayer or click to transfer cash to my account.”

It really comes down to some people have nothing but guilt by association and their own prejudice to vilify a woman they seemingly hate (from all the other posts across numerous threads now) .

And I question any person who posts on a feminist board using the term ‘bimbo’, and continues to jeer at the way women choose to use their own money.

Really, once you see it in action, it isn’t hard to miss.

Helleofabore · 19/03/2023 11:43

Datun · 19/03/2023 11:22

'Blonde bimbo'.

It's always the hair isn't it?

Seriously Onnabugeisha, I'm certain a monroe-esque 'do' is achievable for you too. Just ask your local salon. Take a pic of KJK to show the stylist. They like to work off an example of what you want.

😁

It really does seem personal doesn’t it. It is bizarre behaviour for someone to keep using a woman’s appearance to denigrate them.

And the contempt for women spending their money in a way that doesn’t meet with some random’s standard of management of finances is very clear. Just like donating to a crowdfunder and then trying to use that to demand the person achieves a legal outcome as if the legal decision is solely dependent on that person.

Helleofabore · 19/03/2023 11:46

Is it true that Sky News has reported that one of the men in black is the son of a Victorian policeman? I am searching for evidence of this.

FOJN · 19/03/2023 11:47

Helleofabore · 19/03/2023 11:46

Is it true that Sky News has reported that one of the men in black is the son of a Victorian policeman? I am searching for evidence of this.

I saw it in a tweet somewhere too, complete with full name.

Datun · 19/03/2023 11:48

Helleofabore · 19/03/2023 11:46

Is it true that Sky News has reported that one of the men in black is the son of a Victorian policeman? I am searching for evidence of this.

One of the neo Nazis? I've heard that elsewhere too.

Accounts for the speculation as to why they were allowed to roam around unconstrained.

PriOn1 · 19/03/2023 11:50

BoreOfWhabylon · 18/03/2023 14:52

Really good livestream from this woman
www.youtube.com/live/xDCd5xBnRFY?feature=share
Started with the crowds building and police action, lots of chats with people, different camera angle during event

Anyone who wants to see the “strangulation” event can watch it here on BoreOfWhabylon’s livestream link. Time of incident is from 1hr 07min 50sec.

The still image is not representative of the incident at all. The attacking man was obviously grabbed quickly, probably round the jaw, but within seconds was being dragged away by the same security guard, whose hands were nowhere near the attacker’s neck. This certainty wasn’t an act of strangulation, merely rapid response to remove an aggressor who had shoved aside a woman and where, only a few minutes earlier, two other protesters had also invaded the speaking area to disrupt the event.

If Kellie-Jay was pleased, it’s because the security guards did what was needed to protect the women quickly and quite efficiently.

DameMaud · 19/03/2023 11:51

I just don't get the constant bashing and 'seeking out the crimes' of KJK.
She is doing something incredibly simple and unique- creating a platform for ordinary women to speak out.
Women listen and relate through their everyday, human experiences.

In these times where women are being traumatically shut down in their homes, friendship groups, work places, places of education- she has given them the opportunity to build the courage to speak out and say no. And this has a ripple out effect on women who don't attend too.

I'm not a 'fan-girl' of KJK, I don't lead agree with everything she says or how she says it, but I just cannot, for the life of me, see a good reason to try and sabotage her.

No-one else has done this in such a broad and inclusive way (it's free, accessible, non-, spontaneous); the power of it is palpable and the counter effects it stirs up are completely unsurprising to me.

These effects remind me of when an individual woman, or girl, finally decided to stand up for herself, with boundaries, within in an oppressive family system.
It stirs up conflict and aggressive pushback- she will be demonised, vilified, rejected, misundertood- and she will be tempted to back down to go back to the illusory peace and comfort of non-conflict.
The drama triangle of victim, rescuer, persecutor will come into full force.
But withstanding that division and conflict is a necessary part of her liberation and individuation (and potentially benefit the health of the whole system too).

From my point of view, KJK doing this so powerfully on a macro scale, gives courage to women everywhere- individually, and as a group.

I'm realising what a broad church feminism is, but I really struggle to see how this isn't considered feminism in action.

GlorianaCervixia · 19/03/2023 11:51

Never going to take advice on feminism from someone who calls a woman a blonde bimbo.

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