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Girl abducted in Galashiels appears to have been held by transwoman

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ArabellaScott · 07/02/2023 19:27

reduxx.info/scotland-crossdressing-butcher-arrested-in-case-of-missing-child/

Only source so far, but appears to be potentially corroborated by the Sun:

www.thesun.co.uk/news/21308457/cops-search-butchers-and-forensics-scour-for-evidence/

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Waitwhat23 · 13/10/2023 17:44

ArabellaScott · 13/10/2023 17:32

And for the love of fuck, to a male prison.

Cynically, I suspect that the only reason he will possibly be put into a male prison is because the amount of attention this case has had, as with the Isla Bryson case. A less high profile prisoner would undoubtably be placed into the female prison estate as per the (as yet unchanged despite being under review for quite a number of years now) SPS policy.

Contemplatinglife · 13/10/2023 18:06

Wonder what will be reported from the court. I often think of the wee lassie and hope shes doing ok

SirSamVimesCityWatch · 13/10/2023 19:28

Waitwhat23 · 13/10/2023 17:44

Cynically, I suspect that the only reason he will possibly be put into a male prison is because the amount of attention this case has had, as with the Isla Bryson case. A less high profile prisoner would undoubtably be placed into the female prison estate as per the (as yet unchanged despite being under review for quite a number of years now) SPS policy.

Agreed. If it weren't for Bryson's pink leggings and poorly concealed dick all over the front pages, they'd be fully on board with putting this man into a women's prison.

Walrussy · 18/10/2023 11:44

'Miller, who had run a butcher’s shop, claimed he offered the girl a lift “because she was freezing”, and claimed forcing her to sleep in the bed with him “was a motherly thing”.'

Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/10/2023 11:49

At least that's a decent length sentence.

AdamRyan · 18/10/2023 11:50

I see now he's been convicted they are happy to report "man dressed as a woman" when he identifies as a woman.
Drives me mad the TRAs don't "own" people like this.

stealtheatingtunnocks · 18/10/2023 12:01

Will they move him to the women’s jail in 6 months once the media attention moved on?

Waitwhat23 · 18/10/2023 12:23

AdamRyan · 18/10/2023 11:50

I see now he's been convicted they are happy to report "man dressed as a woman" when he identifies as a woman.
Drives me mad the TRAs don't "own" people like this.

He's 'identified' as a woman for at least 6 years and meets all the requirements for a GRC under the Scottish Government's own rules. The reverse ferreting to disassociate from him by newspapers, the Government etc is very telling.

Waitwhat23 · 18/10/2023 12:29

Interesting thread re:language in court etc. The offender gets to stipulate whether everyone else is forced to refer to him as 'she' -

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4922806-4922806-a-judge-says-the-right-thing-in-scotland

medianewbie · 18/10/2023 12:32

Contemplatinglife · 13/10/2023 18:06

Wonder what will be reported from the court. I often think of the wee lassie and hope shes doing ok

I'm local. I hear (caveat: I don't know) that she's doing 'as well as can be expected'. What's particularly sad is that, whilst no one can predict a sudden monstrous act like this, Miller did exhibit a clear escalation of anti social behaviour & criminal behaviour (stealing women's underwear) for some time. Its abhorrent that he will he able to formally 'change sex' in prison & re-emerge (in many years) as a 'woman' with a clean sheet. He's a predatory male sex offender. For life.

ArabellaScott · 18/10/2023 12:37

No mention of which prison?

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YetAnotherSpartacus · 18/10/2023 12:38

'Miller, who had run a butcher’s shop, claimed he offered the girl a lift “because she was freezing”, and claimed forcing her to sleep in the bed with him “was a motherly thing”.'

Disgusting. How dare he?

ArabellaScott · 18/10/2023 12:39

'The judge described the abduction as "brazen and chilling".
He added that Miller being dressed as a woman was an aggravating factor as he doubted that the girl would have got into the car if Miller had presented as a man.
Lord Arthurson said: "Your intentions were wicked and predatory, and clearly involved a substantial component of planning."
The judge told Miller crimes of this nature were "mercifully rare".
He added: "It is a uniquely appalling crime, striking as it does at the heart of family life and indeed the very fabric of our society.
"It is a crime that brings justifiable universal opprobrium upon the offender and which rightly merits the severest level of punishment properly available to our courts.
"It is what the public has every right to expect, and today it is what you shall receive."'

https://news.sky.com/story/andrew-miller-jailed-for-20-years-for-abducting-and-sexually-assaulting-girl-in-scottish-borders-12983829

Andrew Miller jailed for 20 years for abducting and sexually assaulting girl in Scottish Borders

Andrew Miller, also known as Amy George, identifies as a transgender woman and is said to be in the process of transitioning. The judge previously described the "abhorrent crimes" against the girl as the "realisation of every parent's worst nightmare"...

https://news.sky.com/story/andrew-miller-jailed-for-20-years-for-abducting-and-sexually-assaulting-girl-in-scottish-borders-12983829

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ArabellaScott · 18/10/2023 12:39

Miller being dressed as a woman was an aggravating factor as he doubted that the girl would have got into the car if Miller had presented as a man.

SHONA ROBISON read this. Fucking read it.

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lifeturnsonadime · 18/10/2023 12:44

Lessons need to be learnt from this.

I'd like the Labour Party to be asked specific questions about what happens if an individual with a GRC behaves in this way.

I think at the moment they are in a woman's prison.

I do hope this man never gets access to vulnerable women.

And women are not being transphobic for pointing this out.

ArabellaScott · 18/10/2023 12:47

'Miller was also said to have expressed concern over how his behaviour would affect the wider trans community'

Also from Sky News article.

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lifeturnsonadime · 18/10/2023 12:49

ArabellaScott · 18/10/2023 12:47

'Miller was also said to have expressed concern over how his behaviour would affect the wider trans community'

Also from Sky News article.

FFS. How ridiculous.

We have safeguarding to protect women from all males.

He proves the point.

catduckgoose · 18/10/2023 12:49

Twenty years is a reasonably long sentence but it would be better if he was guaranteed to die in prison. The ordeal that young girl suffered was absolutely horrifying, there's no rehabilitation for depraved men like this.

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SinnerBoy · 18/10/2023 12:55

I'm glad that he's been given a long sentence. In sex crime cases, I feel that they should have to do every day of their sentences.

I hope that the young victim can feel safer now, even though she'll never fully get over what he did to her.

catduckgoose · 18/10/2023 13:00

⚠️ Just a warning to anyone else before clicking the link, the judgement goes into awfully disturbing and sickening detail of his offences.

LizzieSiddal · 18/10/2023 13:01

That poor girl, my heart breaks for what she’s been through. 20 years isn’t enough in my opinion.

RoyalCorgi · 18/10/2023 13:02

'Miller was also said to have expressed concern over how his behaviour would affect the wider trans community'

That's the important thing, obviously.

ArabellaScott · 18/10/2023 13:03

catduckgoose · 18/10/2023 13:00

⚠️ Just a warning to anyone else before clicking the link, the judgement goes into awfully disturbing and sickening detail of his offences.

Sorry, I should have said.

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