Girl abducted in Galashiels appears to have been held by transwoman

[ArabellaScott]

reduxx.info/scotland-crossdressing-butcher-arrested-in-case-of-missing-child/

Only source so far, but appears to be potentially corroborated by the Sun:

www.thesun.co.uk/news/21308457/cops-search-butchers-and-forensics-scour-for-evidence/

That little girl has been so brave and clever to get herself out of that awful sexual torture. I hope she (and her poor mum) gets the best support available help her cope with what happened to her.

Strange editorial decision on this report.

Amy is a man despite 6 years pretending to be a woman (long before his awful crime).

But Isla Bryson is a "she" but was only pretending to be a woman for 2 years, and only after the crime was committed and charged.

So, a trans person being reported on as having committed and admitted to a crime is…transphobic?

I can't quite work out what the problem is. I think it's that they state a 'man dressed as a woman'. I'm not sure if they'd be happier if the headline stated 'transwoman' or what.

The B&W picture of him in woman mode is from 2010 according to Reduxx.

Andrew Miller wants to be charged under his male name so that when he gets out of prison he can distance himself from that deadname. Amy George won't have a conviction for kidnapping and sexual assault.

https://reduxx.info/scotland-transgender-butcher-pleads-guilty-to-abducting-and-sexually-abusing-schoolgirl/

has that article been posted? He was known to the police and to people who knew him for stealing women’s underwear.

Last time I left a comment about men who steal women’s underwear having a proclivity to escalate to much worse things, it was deleted. Even though I didn’t draw a link between underwear stealing and trans identity. But I don’t think it should have been deleted. People should know that men who steal women’s underwear escalate. The fucking cops should at least know it. I don’t know how many underwear stealers they are likely to have on record in an area like that - maybe it’s more than I think. But I can’t help thinking the cops should have identified this man as a potential suspect.

SirSamVimesCityWatch · Today 13:05

Trans women are women unless they make trans women look bad, basically.

I imagine that the BBC are trying to stop the public getting the idea that trans woman=sex offender.

Don't think I can form any non-deleteable comments on that.

Yes, I think you are right.

He had award winning sausages with a photo of JKR in his butcher shop windows.

I am trying not to let my imagination run wild.

Of course.

I do fear this is the reason. Hopefully he will never see the light of day again...

The BNC news report last night at 10 made it clear the person involvedhad asked to be referred to as male despite living as a woman for several years. So I think they are following their guidelines about reporting as people wish to be named.

It is ridiculous though. Absolutely idiotic.

I really hope we don't get a load of guff about his gender struggles as mitigation.

He was known to the police and to people who knew him for stealing women’s underwear.

Last time I left a comment about men who steal women’s underwear having a proclivity to escalate to much worse things, it was deleted. Even though I didn’t draw a link between underwear stealing and trans identity. But I don’t think it should have been deleted. People should know that men who steal women’s underwear escalate.

Absolutely, DarkDay. I didn't know about underwear stealers even being a thing until I read it on MN.

As with flashing, these paraphilias are huge red flags for future offending.

WTF

Miller told the police he had stopped to "help" the child as she "looked freezing", saying it was a "motherly thing" and that he was being a Good Samaritan and had "put her in bed with me to warm up".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-65610429

That poor girl

If someone engages with selective reality in one thing then obviously they will extend it to other things. And you 'fact shaming' them is a bad thing. You end up with the choice: to enable the excusing delusion or to be clear that there are boundaries and consequences, and that the person you are talking to may not ever agree. It is like the kids at Oxford yesterday; unable to believe that a police officer was stopping them assaulting and harassing a member of the public for having views they wanted to block out all sight of, and was unmoved that their being stopped was stressful and upsetting for them.

Likewise:

'It was not an assault, it is a motherly thing to take a total stranger's child off the street and put them in your bed' (And repeatedly sexually assault them.)

This is why enabling selective realities is generally not a sensible or workable thing for a society to do outside of with very small children.

ResisterRex* · Yesterday 13:13

Humza: "He is being held in the male estate"

I wonder if he slipped off message momentarily? Or if he was, as suggested, trying to give the impression that tranw are the saintly oppressed and would never do that sort of thing.

Underwear stealers should be put on the sex offenders register at the very least. It's never just a simple case of theft.

And that's the thing; the shading.

Obviously a male who commits an atrocity like this is radically different from the massive majority of normal, decent males who would not dream of doing such a thing in their worst nightmares.

But a major part of this political movement has been to enable and excuse and stop boundaries at the very shallow end in things like selective reality, excusing flashing, enabling low level offending against W&G and punishing the W&G for not being open minded, sex positive, kink friendly, yada yada.

But when you take down any line or boundary how do you control any of this? Why should W&G be supposed to be ok with being used and experiencing offending even at the very low levels and then everyone's all surprised when someone does escalate right through. In the exact way that sex offenders are known to do.

The low level stuff matters and there have to be boundaries. And that in itself would protect male people with TQ+ identities from being lumped in with nutjobs like this individual. It would help if there was a clear rejection of the behaviour and values from the TQ+ 'community' and care/distress shown for the child. As it would have done when a woman had her skull fractured.

I just hope that everyone involved will understand that as a society we need to be able to learn from patterns of where there are dangerous paraphilias that are statistically more likely to lead to criminal behaviour (and importantly to also learn the opposite- to demonstrate where no such links exist).

And we need to remind professionals and the public that looking at this is not ‘-phobic’ of anything or anyone except the dangerous paraphilias. And of the crimes.

We seem to be happy enough for police to do this for say, crimes against property or car crime or antisocial behaviour- clearly it is much more essential to have this data for crimes like sexual assault and rape and kidnap or murder.

Which as women have said on here for years, means that where relevant we need to gather biologically accurate data (which collecting only gender data substitutions for sex data obviously obscures) because we need accurate data to be able to objectively spot patterns.

Stopping that analysis to see patterns or stopping people being able to talk about the results, or stopping them from using that knowledge professionally, or from using it in their personal daily lives to reduce risk, is just an insult, it facilitates unchecked criminal behaviour.

Our UK politicians need to be insisting that to let this happen that wherever relevant, the official data gathering by police or other bodies should ask men separately about both their birth sex and personal gender identity, because they need to be doing this sadly not for nice reasons.

I wouldn’t know whether this is statistically worth doing for women too, but that would seem to be highly unlikely, from what is reported. We’d need to see the data on that.

And we need an end to ‘deadnaming’ being a thing you can’t do- formally or informally- which ultimately the GRA facilitates in law via a chilling effect because of the law against revealing someone’s GRA status, so changing that would also require GRA review to really address.

And politicians need to demand an instant ban on media reporting that tries to obscure sex reality and gender identity feelings because that is dangerously misleading.

I really hope out of respect for the actual victims who have now to live with the effects of these crimes that all of this will happen, but I don’t see any rush to it so far. So much for equality and inclusion and respect.

And if all the men who wouldn’t dream of hurting anyone don’t like these issues and feel demonised by them, then that is entirely their problem to deal with. As they should surely agree, women’s safety and freedom should always be prioritised over men’s feelings.
Putting men’s feelings and preferences first, is where as a society we are at right now.

AM is 53: known in his small community for cross dressing since he was a teenager. Obvs that isn't a crime. But stealing women's underwear to wear (rather than quietly purchasing his own) has been long-term too. He is a pervert, whatever sex he is currently representing himself as, for his own enjoyment & convenience. He's a very dangerous man. This is a critical case.

Underwear stealing has been around forever. I remember my nan telling my aunt that a group of women had caught one near her street, in the 60s. They didn't bother with the Police.

And we had a neighbour, when I was 13/14 - early 80s. He had a hoover and washing machine business across the road from us. As soon as it was in the local paper, it closed and he went elsewhere.

Apparently, he said it was all just a joke.

Well, he would say that, wouldn't he.

Ripples spreading throughout Scottish politics.

https://twitter.com/ginadavidsonlbc/status/1659208486344097795

Scottish LibDem [ex] leader@willie_rennie
told@LBC
that it makes him "sick to the stomach to think what happened here that they've used this as cover in order to entice a young girl into a home and cause such trauma.

Scottish Conservative MSP @Rachael2Win says the Andrew Miller/ Amy George case proves predatory men will pretend to be something/one they are not @LBC @LBCNews twitter.com/ginadavidsonlb…

"Trans people need to be protected within this debate that it's done in a sensitive way, but equally we realise we need to have protections in place so people don't use the cover of pretending to be a woman in order to damage somebody else. That's where the challenge is."

According to locals, Miller could be “quite abrupt” with customers and “seemed to have a chip on his shoulder about things”. One said: “When he started wearing women’s clothes in the shop he could act very strange as if he was trying to get a reaction. People would stop going to his shop, so it’s no surprise it eventually closed down.”

"Trying to get a reaction".

Stealing knickers got old, so he wanted to erode women's boundaries by making his kink public.

Even tho he could see it ruining his business.

Escalation indeed.

And we need an end to ‘deadnaming’ being a thing you can’t do- formally or informally- which ultimately the GRA facilitates in law via a chilling effect because of the law against revealing someone’s GRA status, so changing that would also require GRA review to really address.

I can't get my head round that he might be able to use the GRA to avoid being connected with previous crimes?

Surely this can't present a loophole for child sex offenders?

It can't be right, surely?