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Girl abducted in Galashiels appears to have been held by transwoman

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ArabellaScott · 07/02/2023 19:27

reduxx.info/scotland-crossdressing-butcher-arrested-in-case-of-missing-child/

Only source so far, but appears to be potentially corroborated by the Sun:

www.thesun.co.uk/news/21308457/cops-search-butchers-and-forensics-scour-for-evidence/

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Beowulfa · 18/05/2023 15:26

These fuckwit politicians, aided and abbetted by simpletons like the Oxford student alphabet society guy on the radio yesterday, and their mantra that trans folk (meaning white middle aged males) are the most oppressed and vulnerable on the planet, need to be publicly held to account.

This child was potentially moments away from being tortured, raped and murdered in scenes out of a banned 1980s video nasty. Who the fuck is more vulnerable than an abducted child in a nonce's dungeon FFS!

We are being gaslit into situations where flashing isn't a crime (it's just women being uptight about special lady-penis), where safeguarding is bigoted, children are taught that men can be women, and that it's awfully unkind for anyone to say No to a man.

I am saying No to all of this shit.

FannyCann · 18/05/2023 15:42

Dogsitterwoes · 18/05/2023 12:01

I think he's probably worked out he'll survive longer in a special nonses prison unit as a man (and have like-minded fellow prisoners) than he would in a women's prison.

I think you're probably correct Dogsitter

Helleofabore · 18/05/2023 15:49

Those so deeply entrenched in supporting gender identity in its ideological form really must have exploding brains trying to cope with the dissonance that these cases bring. They all make these proclamations about 'this one is just a predatory man' vs 'this person is so vulnerable and marginalised' when there is fuck all of a difference between the two male people. They have allowed themselves to be so embroiled in spreading a lie that when it is absolutely clear that this is false, they just double down.

If people are really up for lying about this, and are politicians and spokespeople, then I am wondering why they think anyone can ever believe them again? and I am wondering why anyone DOES believe them on other things.

SirVixofVixHall · 18/05/2023 16:21

SirSamVimesCityWatch · 18/05/2023 13:05

Trans women are women unless they make trans women look bad, basically.

I imagine that the BBC are trying to stop the public getting the idea that trans woman=sex offender.

Don't think I can form any non-deleteable comments on that.

Agree with this. Sick of the weasely reporting .

ArabellaScott · 18/05/2023 16:25

Beowulfa · 18/05/2023 15:26

These fuckwit politicians, aided and abbetted by simpletons like the Oxford student alphabet society guy on the radio yesterday, and their mantra that trans folk (meaning white middle aged males) are the most oppressed and vulnerable on the planet, need to be publicly held to account.

This child was potentially moments away from being tortured, raped and murdered in scenes out of a banned 1980s video nasty. Who the fuck is more vulnerable than an abducted child in a nonce's dungeon FFS!

We are being gaslit into situations where flashing isn't a crime (it's just women being uptight about special lady-penis), where safeguarding is bigoted, children are taught that men can be women, and that it's awfully unkind for anyone to say No to a man.

I am saying No to all of this shit.

Hear, hear. Their complicity may be indirect and unintentional, but it's there.

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Datun · 18/05/2023 17:01

Beowulfa · 18/05/2023 15:26

These fuckwit politicians, aided and abbetted by simpletons like the Oxford student alphabet society guy on the radio yesterday, and their mantra that trans folk (meaning white middle aged males) are the most oppressed and vulnerable on the planet, need to be publicly held to account.

This child was potentially moments away from being tortured, raped and murdered in scenes out of a banned 1980s video nasty. Who the fuck is more vulnerable than an abducted child in a nonce's dungeon FFS!

We are being gaslit into situations where flashing isn't a crime (it's just women being uptight about special lady-penis), where safeguarding is bigoted, children are taught that men can be women, and that it's awfully unkind for anyone to say No to a man.

I am saying No to all of this shit.

Yes. The union guy is just a misogynistic wanker, but politicians should know better.

They must be thinking I'm not sure I can sustain this obvious lie much longer. Surely.

Not least because it has to be dawning on them that these fetishised sex offenders will just keep coming. They're two a penny.

Lamped · 18/05/2023 17:08

Whoever screen grabbed r/transgenderUK...my goodness, what an absolute cesspit that place is. I had a look at the thread in question and I don't know whether I want to cry or vomit. "Why is this case exceptionally abhorrent?" Jesus wept.

I have nothing to say on the crime that hasn't already been said. This person is a man (as are all "transwoman"). Most men do not engage in behaviour like this but some do. And it is always, always men who do this utterly, disgustingly depraved stuff. Yet more proof that no matter what you say your sex is absolutely, undeniably and unchangeably a part of who you are.

Girl abducted in Galashiels appears to have been held by transwoman
medianewbie · 18/05/2023 17:18

I live locally to this. I'm aware its an ongoing case, so I won't say any more. It's a small rural community. Children are thought to be 'safer here' but sadly its no different to anywhere else. I was glad to hear Humza Yusaf describe Miller as the man-person that he is. I hope that Andrew Miller is imprisoned for life in the male estate.

ArabellaScott · 18/05/2023 17:21

Not least because it has to be dawning on them that these fetishised sex offenders will just keep coming. They're two a penny.

And every fucking time we will be asking the same questions. Every time. Quoting their stupid, vapid, ridiculous words back at them. Asking them how they can tell. How we can tell. And how the fuck they propose to ensure that women and girls are protected in their safety, privacy, and dignity if POLITICIANS are encouraging males to access women's spaces, and women not to complain lest they be called 'bigots' for saying no.

https://twitter.com/edwardlord/status/1658977311482363905

Your rights as a woman, Nicola, not diminished by the 'enhancement' of the rights of trans people. How do you propose to 'enhance' the rights of Andrew George?

https://twitter.com/edwardlord/status/1658977311482363905?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

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nilsmousehammer · 18/05/2023 17:37

It's the narcissist's prayer on repeat, we can say it with them

That won't happen
Well it wasn't that bad. (Many have had it much worse, you shouldn't care so much, let it pass.)
If it was that bad then it was only one so it's not anyone's fault and you should continue to be blindly trusting

Hopefully with this being a child, we will be spared the next bit that we so often see which is how the female provoked and/or deserved it.

This child is living in a country where heads of state have been lining up on tv to tell her, repeatedly, men who identify as women are never, ever going to be a threat to a woman or child. That it is only horrible people who would want safeguarding because inevitably some of those men will use their access to women and children to offend.

I could wonder if any would have the guts to look this child in the eye and gaslight her some more.

OhHolyJesus · 18/05/2023 18:15

This man went by the name Amy for years. Why are the media reporting this single case as a man, is this because if the crime he committed? Does their editorial policy now stand on one's internal feelings of a 'gender' and depending on a criminal history, because we have all be led to believe that it's the internal sense of self that is what dictates whether someone is trans or not.

All other cases when a man thinks he is a woman is reported as a woman. Why is this one different?

ArabellaScott · 18/05/2023 18:17

Unclear, Jesus. He was known as 'Amy George' locally, lived and worked as 'Amy'. As you say, for many years.

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TheBiologyStupid · 18/05/2023 18:17

nilsmousehammer · 18/05/2023 17:37

It's the narcissist's prayer on repeat, we can say it with them

That won't happen
Well it wasn't that bad. (Many have had it much worse, you shouldn't care so much, let it pass.)
If it was that bad then it was only one so it's not anyone's fault and you should continue to be blindly trusting

Hopefully with this being a child, we will be spared the next bit that we so often see which is how the female provoked and/or deserved it.

This child is living in a country where heads of state have been lining up on tv to tell her, repeatedly, men who identify as women are never, ever going to be a threat to a woman or child. That it is only horrible people who would want safeguarding because inevitably some of those men will use their access to women and children to offend.

I could wonder if any would have the guts to look this child in the eye and gaslight her some more.

Absolutely this. It's all totally sickening. Enough is enough.

bringmethehorizontal · 18/05/2023 19:15

Why has the yes-this-is-a-male bat signal only ever gone up for this man? Because it's a high-profile case?

That poor, brave child to do what she did. I hope she's receiving plenty of good support.

RoyalCorgi · 18/05/2023 19:36

bringmethehorizontal · 18/05/2023 19:15

Why has the yes-this-is-a-male bat signal only ever gone up for this man? Because it's a high-profile case?

That poor, brave child to do what she did. I hope she's receiving plenty of good support.

According to the reports I've seen, he specifically said he wanted to be referred to as a man. This is fortunate for the media, because they've been spared the difficult decision of whether to refer to him by his biological sex or by his preferred name and pronouns.

nilsmousehammer · 18/05/2023 19:41

I could be very cynical and wonder who may have encouraged him to do so. Not least as his 'deadname' will then be the one known and can be left behind, but also as this is devastating to the narrative of a lot of powerful bodies involved as yet another PR car crash this year. And it's only May.

Slothtoes · 18/05/2023 19:43

I really hope that the premeditated deception of the child aspect of this abduction and assaulting of a female child, will not get overlooked because this man was also a habitual cross dresser.

He would have known he could trick a girl into his car more effectively by specifically dressing ‘as a woman’. Because children would have been expecting to be safe in a car with a woman. That deceptive ploy should count for something at sentencing. Presumably there will be some legal precedent for that?. Gender feelz should be completely irrelevant to that aspect of planned premeditation on the day that he went out to do this sickening kidnap and attack.

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nilsmousehammer · 18/05/2023 20:38

Slothtoes · 18/05/2023 19:43

I really hope that the premeditated deception of the child aspect of this abduction and assaulting of a female child, will not get overlooked because this man was also a habitual cross dresser.

He would have known he could trick a girl into his car more effectively by specifically dressing ‘as a woman’. Because children would have been expecting to be safe in a car with a woman. That deceptive ploy should count for something at sentencing. Presumably there will be some legal precedent for that?. Gender feelz should be completely irrelevant to that aspect of planned premeditation on the day that he went out to do this sickening kidnap and attack.

We have been repeatedly told that there would be severe penalties for fraudulent and deceptive use of transitioning. Although frankly anyone who says they are is, so there never has been and never will be any real standard for this, plus we were told endlessly that no man would ever go to the trouble of doing this just to offend.

They are all trans. Which is fine, all populations contain perpetrators. But it does prove yet again that this is a population that women need safeguarding against. How many women's spaces has this perpetrator used while escalating to this offense? It is after all very rare for such a serious offense to be the first one.

And how many early escalating offenses would these days actually end up being reported for police to begin to track and notice an emerging and escalating offender, since someone flashing in a women's changing room- the woman is more likely to be punished for complaining than the male who has claimed the protections simply by walking into the space.

These are the realities. They're a reason for precautions and boundaries and female only spaces, and these realities are not 'anti trans' unless you see it as right and necessary for women to be harmed and refusal to be an act of aggression.

nilsmousehammer · 18/05/2023 20:45

And when I say 'a population that women need safeguarding against', I mean it in exactly the same way that women have had safeguarding against the population of the sex class of men.

No more, no less.

slamfightbrightlight · 18/05/2023 21:00

That article really is horrific. That little girl was so brave.

BaronMunchausen · 18/05/2023 21:01

ArabellaScott · 18/05/2023 14:20

'he is clearly a predatory man' says Shona Robison.

On what basis are you making that assessment, Shona?

The say-so of the predatory man would appear to be the determining factor. The word of predatory men is gospel, and this one agreed that his 'dead name' and masculine pronouns could be used.

If he hadn't given her a pass to refer to him as a man, Robison would be insisting he was a predatory woman. People are who they say they are etc. Ironically, her current line presents a classic case of a predatory man pretending to be a woman to carry out abusive behaviour. Something she said hasn't happened "ever".

spidereggs · 18/05/2023 21:15

@ArabellaScott

Re the legal position

She will NOT a have to attend court.

He had pled guilty. So as a matter of law a background report is now ordered into him.

That's a standard criminal justice social work report. That will be submitted to court, the procurator fiscal will submit their findings, the defence solicitor will refer to that report, anything else relevant and he will be sentenced.

I'm saying he because he has confirmed that to be the case in record.

He will be sentenced to a male prison.

The victim and or her family could, if they wished, provide a letter to the court but there is no requirement to do so

RoobarbandCustud · 18/05/2023 21:15

Andrew Miller: trans butcher admits abduction and sex assault of girl, 11

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/365f6606-f56e-11ed-9ecf-630e5864e3c3?shareToken=d97c04da962189095cc842289aa0bff9

ArabellaScott · 18/05/2023 21:42

'Miller started using the name Amy George six years ago. He was vocal on social media about transgender issues and supported the former first minister Nicola Sturgeon’s moves to make it easier for people to change their sex.'

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