Gender Critical Disputes - Radical Notion special edition free to read online

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Cant say I have heard of Radical Notion. They say:

THE RADICAL NOTION was founded in 2020 to create a space for the resurgent wave of feminist thinking and activism. This not-for-profit magazine is run by an all-women collective of radical and socialist feminists. We are committed to the materialist analysis of sex-based oppression, and to challenging the material and symbolic structures of male dominance. This moment is a historic opportunity to deepen and widen the analysis of all aspects of women’s political condition, and its foundational role in all systems of extraction and domination.

We welcome words and images from women of all nationalities, classes, ethnicities and backgrounds to illuminate the meaning of feminist politics in their lives, and to create a global picture of this political moment. Our current battle, and the social, political and environmental unravellings we see all around us are, at their root, crises of patriarchy. We want to seize this moment to speak that truth.

theradicalnotion.org/gender-critical-disputes/

It seems quite expensive to subscribe but they have made this issue free to read online. A lot of it seems to be the ongoing antagonism (meaning the issues are real but seem to be motivated as much by personal fallouts) between radical feminist and socialist feminist gender critical women.

Some may remember this thread www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4662757-womens-place-uk-filia-event-the-elephant-ignored-yet-again and the revelation that WPUK seems to now be linked to the group Actual Gender Critical Left, who endlessly snipe about Karin Dansky and KJK.

Anyhow posting in case anyone wants to have a read.

Still not sure why some women think in the day of virtual opportunites to talk directly to other women, they need to go down the routed of "publishing" as though their ideas are somehow special and shouldn't be submitted to the rough and tumble on online forums like this one!

T SHRTS AND CROCHET PANTS SUGGESTS A SUMMER EVENT UNLESS ITS TO GO UNDER A FURRY SUIT

‘Women who criticise &
mock IDPOL in criticising & mocking IDPOL shocker’

And I think that you completely ignored the sneering and patronising tone that your very first post on this thread took.

As I said from the start, what the fuck did you think the reaction would be? Considering the huge number of posts we get in that exact profile on this board? And on a thread about a group of women who run a web site with a sin page for a woman they disagree with?

There is criticism, and there is denigration for the sake of making either yourself feel good or make others feel ashamed.

Chocolate? Too French.

Turnip jam and boiled hops, surely?

So.... unfermented beer wash and turnip jam? Is that a hobbit thing?

It's a rather glorious display of "when someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time". Even if they claim to be FWR royalty while posting like a teenager shouting at their Mum from the basement.

Is Farage a hobbit?

And I still don't think we got a coherent or cohesive definition of what a fucking Farage Feminist is.

Is that a term used by lefter than socialist feminists who have been in the movement for decades? Or a special one just for us?

There is criticism, and there is denigration for the sake of making either yourself feel good or make others feel ashamed.

You think my intention was to shame you all in order to self-soothe and the points I made were just random ones I plucked from the air?

OR is it possible there is even a small amount of truth in what I say?

Tell me, someone, who were the GC anti-semites we were waiting for news of? Have we heard of any of them or are they all obscure US skateboarders?
Who are the people we shouldn't team up with or hop into bed with or stand anywhere near in a park, even though we are all allowed to set our own boundaries and do what we want.

You will not be surprised to hear that we never did get an answer to, or evidence of, the above @pattihews.

Im sorry for apparent brusqueness or lack of clarity I am having to type while doig other things /pretending not to

And I still don't think we got a coherent or cohesive definition of what a fucking Farage Feminist is.

It's a feminist (or non-feminist) who uses the populist tactics of Farage.

As I explained many times

No, you didn't, Winter. Your arguments are as full of holes as a crochet vest.

My intent was to invoke a vision of a twee 1940s/50s SE England (Little Nigel’s main stomping grounds but in a Darling Buds of May time frame) but now you come to mention it he probably does have hairy feet…

And - it doesn't have to be coherent or cohesive. It's allusive, descriptive of an approach, part of the back and forth of debate. This isn't a place for essays as I've been told many times.

It's also quite difficult to do everything you're being asked to do when there are 20 odd people sneering/yelling/barking orders

Forms political party
Gets old fashioned, British celebs to do media rounds
Fails to gain any domestic parliamentary success

The WEP?

We’re mostly just making jokes about Nigel Farage 🤷‍♀️

It's also quite difficult to do everything you're being asked to do when there are 20 odd people sneering/yelling/barking orders

Yet you are the only one using offensive slurs and insults. It's not that hard to refrain from repeatedly making unfounded accusations.

I had a look at a small bit of your posting history under your old username @WinterDeWinter and I can see that you were similar to me in being against sexual exploitation. I think you aren’t aware how intersectional feminism/crt has been abused to silence feminists, destroy from within and advance male entitlement in the intervening period.

Some of the most well respected black feminist orgs back in the day were pushing this idea of changing diversity forms to ask something like:

”What is your gender identity?”
o Man
o Woman
o Trans

”Is that the same as your identity when you were born?”
o Yes
o No

So you would have no idea whatsoever if the person filling the form was male or female.

And in the similar way to how Moth/Blood slips in the Holocaust, that serves to stop all questions in their tracks, these same feminist held the power of being able to smear people as racist and had many feminist orgs right on the back foot. The terms ‘White Feminism’ and ‘White Feminist’ were being bandied about and had people treading on eggshells. So within the subculture context of feminism and social justice, the balances of power along racial lines looked very different from wider society. Furthermore, because it was accepted that black=good/white=bad, skullduggery, nepotism, etc was not mentioned unless the person doing it was white.

just read the Welsh threads…

made me wonder if the reason Scottish and Welsh politicians have taken to GenderWooWoo like a lost duck to a murky waste water pond in the middle of an industrial estate is because nationalism is itself a form of IDPOL?

I think so.

and to the three or four dominant posters whose John Bull 'racism bollocks' posts really shocked me.

You never clarified exactly what they did or said to deserve that epithet @WinterDeWinter just threw out the accusation. Notably none of their posts were deleted, but you had a post deleted. All I got from your posts was that it is a-okay for you to define racism, to disagree with and question CRT, but no-one else.

If that's the level of your debating/discussion skills then I find them somewhat lacking.

You think my intention was to shame you all in order to self-soothe and the points I made were just random ones I plucked from the air?

🙋‍♀️well, apart from the last bit. I’d say predetermined and predictable ones generated by your preferred defence mechanism.

since you asked.

whose John Bull 'racism bollocks' posts really shocked me

just a reminder that the thing that shocked @WinterDeWinter to the extent that she had no choice but to start spewing out slurs was my insistence that I will use my own judgment when deciding what I consider to be racist

this is a person who loses her shit when faced with someone she can’t shame into outsourcing their judgement of right and wrong

this is the authoritarian left in action

If WinterdeWinter and Blood/ Moth are typical of fans of The Radical Notion then I'm glad I unsubscribed from it.