Gender Critical Disputes - Radical Notion special edition free to read online

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Cant say I have heard of Radical Notion. They say:

THE RADICAL NOTION was founded in 2020 to create a space for the resurgent wave of feminist thinking and activism. This not-for-profit magazine is run by an all-women collective of radical and socialist feminists. We are committed to the materialist analysis of sex-based oppression, and to challenging the material and symbolic structures of male dominance. This moment is a historic opportunity to deepen and widen the analysis of all aspects of women’s political condition, and its foundational role in all systems of extraction and domination.

We welcome words and images from women of all nationalities, classes, ethnicities and backgrounds to illuminate the meaning of feminist politics in their lives, and to create a global picture of this political moment. Our current battle, and the social, political and environmental unravellings we see all around us are, at their root, crises of patriarchy. We want to seize this moment to speak that truth.

theradicalnotion.org/gender-critical-disputes/

It seems quite expensive to subscribe but they have made this issue free to read online. A lot of it seems to be the ongoing antagonism (meaning the issues are real but seem to be motivated as much by personal fallouts) between radical feminist and socialist feminist gender critical women.

Some may remember this thread www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4662757-womens-place-uk-filia-event-the-elephant-ignored-yet-again and the revelation that WPUK seems to now be linked to the group Actual Gender Critical Left, who endlessly snipe about Karin Dansky and KJK.

Anyhow posting in case anyone wants to have a read.

Still not sure why some women think in the day of virtual opportunites to talk directly to other women, they need to go down the routed of "publishing" as though their ideas are somehow special and shouldn't be submitted to the rough and tumble on online forums like this one!

Your point was just to come on and tell other women off. Which is all you've done on every single thread I've had the misfortune to be on with you.

So your just tone policing?

I think 'you sound like racist pricks' goes a bit beyond tone policing don't you?

Oh well, at least we are back
on topic!
It’s the tone policing of ordinary non-academic women by VERY SPECIAL FEMINISTS that makes The Radical Notion such a boring chore of a read.

I think it makes you sound unhinged, but I respect your right to make unhinged accusations on the internet.

I think that it is quite clear that it is the case that some posters who pride themselves on their political position and their feminist history, Clymene, and therefore feel that they are not so much as posting to 'shame' posters but to feel better about themselves. I am not sure if this is the case here, but reading back, that is looking strongly like the case.

"She's remarkably similar in tone to another poster who claimed to be an old timer here and scolded us for posting trans stuff in the moribund "Feminist Chat" folder."

This is very true.

We're only making pants for Nigel?

So my point isn't really to do with feminism at all - it's to do with not being pricks,

🤣🤣🤣

Now that takes the biscuit!

I would sign up for Winter’s “not being a prick” lecture series, just for the stories.

😍

nah.... I take that back.

There is alternative response possible to criticism from outside the group, you know. You don't have to shoot the messenger or mock their language or double down or refuse to countenance the fact that they might be in good faith or even be interested in an outsider's view and how it might have come about. You can, you know, hear it, consider it, respond.

Erm... okay. So you want to tell us we're STUPID GRIM HORRENDOUS BIGOTED RACIST SHIRE WIVES OF FARAGE and have us respond by hearing and considering your point of view?

Why? We're not here to be your narcissistic supply, WinterFace. We're not going to thank you for your verbal abuse.

So my point isn't really to do with feminism at all - it's to do with not being pricks

The irony is just too much. You've broken the Iron-o-meter.

And again, I point to your very first post on this thread.

Did you expect positive engagement after that post?

Why?

The Farage Feminists Undergrundies Crochet Circle will be giving an acapella rendition of this song at our first annual conference. How did you know?!

💃🏻*walks in, twirls 💃🏻

Oh, well done. I was just thinking that's too long of an insult for a username.

Lovely twirl!

Neither do I.

I wondered if it was during my hiatus when I got fed up with all the trolls.

"There is alternative response possible to criticism from outside the group, you know. You don't have to shoot the messenger or mock their language or double down or refuse to countenance the fact that they might be in good faith or even be interested in an outsider's view and how it might have come about. You can, you know, hear it, consider it, respond. These crowing attacks just look as though you suspect there is truth to it, but can't bring yourself to actually look at the criticism."

The hypocrisy here is rather blinding.

Still, it's always nice to get some fresh insults rained upon us, so thanks for that, Winter.

'STUPID GRIM HORRENDOUS BIGOTED RACIST SHIRE WIVES OF FARAGE' is going to look good on a T shirt.

*First in the queue at the convention merch stand.

Pretty excited about this, new, freshly hatched PoMo feminist analysis of the traditional phrase, ‘Not MY Nigel’.

It really suits you. Bit posh mind!

And again, I point to your very first post on this thread.
Did you expect positive engagement after that post?
Why?

I'd just been on another thread with many of the posters here @Helleofabore so to me it didn't feel like an intro post. I should have been clearer.

I apologise for my increasingly angry tone - honestly, that was in response to the mass sneering and mischaracterising here, and to the three or four dominant posters whose John Bull 'racism bollocks' posts really shocked me. I did manage to maintain good humour on the other thread and I generally try hard to do so.

Overall, though, I don't think that dismissing criticism because you don't like the tone in which it was expressed is the debate-ender you think it is.

Does being a Shire Wife mean that I should offer you all biscuits? Freshly baked with chocolate chips?

Err... 👍