Gender Critical Disputes - Radical Notion special edition free to read online

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Cant say I have heard of Radical Notion. They say:

THE RADICAL NOTION was founded in 2020 to create a space for the resurgent wave of feminist thinking and activism. This not-for-profit magazine is run by an all-women collective of radical and socialist feminists. We are committed to the materialist analysis of sex-based oppression, and to challenging the material and symbolic structures of male dominance. This moment is a historic opportunity to deepen and widen the analysis of all aspects of women’s political condition, and its foundational role in all systems of extraction and domination.

We welcome words and images from women of all nationalities, classes, ethnicities and backgrounds to illuminate the meaning of feminist politics in their lives, and to create a global picture of this political moment. Our current battle, and the social, political and environmental unravellings we see all around us are, at their root, crises of patriarchy. We want to seize this moment to speak that truth.

theradicalnotion.org/gender-critical-disputes/

It seems quite expensive to subscribe but they have made this issue free to read online. A lot of it seems to be the ongoing antagonism (meaning the issues are real but seem to be motivated as much by personal fallouts) between radical feminist and socialist feminist gender critical women.

Some may remember this thread www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4662757-womens-place-uk-filia-event-the-elephant-ignored-yet-again and the revelation that WPUK seems to now be linked to the group Actual Gender Critical Left, who endlessly snipe about Karin Dansky and KJK.

Anyhow posting in case anyone wants to have a read.

Still not sure why some women think in the day of virtual opportunites to talk directly to other women, they need to go down the routed of "publishing" as though their ideas are somehow special and shouldn't be submitted to the rough and tumble on online forums like this one!

He might be of the ‘different but equal’ view (Dworkin talks about in Right Wing Women and The Politics of Domestic Females), rather than the ‘male superior’ model.

My point is that people have often - often - argued that a fist in the face has been misinterpreted.

And that is all good. His relevance in the US differs from his relevance in the UK in any case, as does much of the political situation in the two countries. The religious right has power in the US, not so much in the UK and so on. So the kinds of things that feminist focus on tend to differ in practical importance.

But the US Democrats will not be comfortable paying attention to his views on this, given the history of politics here, so his messages might affect the political right but backfire on the left. The messenger and the message problem.

if I am not the arbiter of what I think is racist then who is for heaven's sake? you?

No, my request for a place to talk about wankery/cultural theory with sluice-able floor etc was never granted

A shame.

Sorry to disappoint you, but I was mildly curious when you posted your username. I don't care that you clearly think you're some kind of MN royalty who we should all be obsequious to. But I think I would have found you irritating had I been here then, too.

My point is that people have often - often - argued that a fist in the face has been misinterpreted.

Harder to misinterpret a fist in the face than a poorly worded comment though.

Yes, it’s interesting. I can eyeroll or be infuriated by people I quite like. I don’t have to agree with everything.

Tl:dr for those just joing:

Some people are rascist, and some people know people who are rascist. And also misogynist and other things like anti abortion and also anti-semite and also anti-freeze. And sometimes people's shoulders touch and that IS A BAD THING. So we must always be on high alert, about who is near your shoulders. Never share your crisps with any of these people, or bread.

Watch out, and stay safe. And this isn't a laughing matter, because Matt Walsh sometimes laughs.

I have literally seen people on this board make bullshit accusations of racism today

turns out if you're very motivated, it's extremely easy to misinterpret stuff as racism

Dave Chapelle just won a Grammy for Closer (‘Team Terf’) fingers crossed that’s a good sign re: US left/lib

www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/dave-chappelle-grammy-netflix-the-closer-trans-controversy-1235316559/

Not what you think is racist or not. That's, er, my point.
Claiming you know what's racist and what isn't is... what's the word I'm looking for.

She is dead right when she asks where they fuck were they when they were infiltrating academia. I'd love them to actually answer her rather than dedicate a whole edition of a quarterly about [slagging] her [off] and give it away for free [because nobody is buying that any more].

Yes. Perhaps someone can attempt an answer here?

Claiming you know what's racist and what isn't is...

So no one is allowed to interpret what is racist and what isn't now? That sounds constructive.

you do know everyone has the power of individual thought don't you? (just checking)

you do know we all navigate the world making thousands of decisions every day, right?

of course when I am navigating the world it's down to me to decide what I believe to be racist or not. who would I outsource my thinking to?

this is very bizarre

Hannah Berelli asked this on twitter.

First one of the RN editors yelled at her, and then she made a thread. The thread did not convince me, but I'll go find it. I don't think it would be fair for me to just relay my opinion on it.

I mean, this is truly TRA level discourse. "It's transphobic, and you must be punished, because I am offended! Only trans people can decide whether it is or not!"

I'm waiting for the answer on who does get to interpret what it racist and what is not (although I may be able to hazard a guess)

heavens to betsy @NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision , have you been cleared for having opinions?

Hannah Berelli asked this on twitter.

First one of the RN editors yelled at her, and then she made a thread. The thread did not convince me, but I'll go find it.

I'd like to read Hannah's thread where she asked, if that can be linked.

Got it. Now Iread back, not one, but two, Radical Notion contributors had a go at her. One made herself look illiterate in the process, but anything to shut other women down, eh?

twitter.com/HannahBerrelli/status/1611001190430515201

Nope. I carry on having them anyway.

I refuse to accept that having a baby should make me a zombie from above the neck, whether it's men saying it or childfree women.

As I said, I have sincere objections to CRT, but fucking hell listen to yourselves. You sound like straight up unashamed racists.

I've made the assumption that you are both white based on:
a. the odds, based on the ethnic makeup of the UK
b. your racism

But the US Democrats will not be comfortable paying attention to his views on this, given the history of politics here, so his messages might affect the political right but backfire on the left. The messenger and the message problem

I don't understand what this means. Democrats won't pay attention to Matt Walsh so his messages will backfire on them? Sorry, I might be being thick. How can messages the left aren't sending backfire on the left?

My other question is, so what? He's not a politician, he's just a commentator/podcaster - is he really that significant that he can bring down the left if people start agreeing with him?

And my other other question is what effect does me thinking Matt Walsh is funny/hypothetically agreeing to stand next to him at a rally have on all of this? This is where it all falls down for me. Because it's just guilt by association, isn't it? Saying that I would somehow lose legitimacy because of my proximity to Matt Walsh (and never the other way around, note.)

I just don't get it. I get that it sounds good to some people - "we should never align with conservatives because they're evil the left doesn't like them" - but it doesn't make any bloody sense! The left (generalisation) thinks that anyone who isn't a "woke" is a far-right bigot. So how does trying to appease the left make any sense at all?

Sorry, I am just so mindboggled by the whole thing.

Ok here's your answer: No-one. No-one gets to decide what's racist or not, in the casual manner you have. It's a really fucking complex thing and it all needs careful thought. Someone who is white will not have the same view as someone who is not. This is basic fucking humanity.

I do not subscribe to CRT (for the millionth time of saying, apologies) and I think 'white fragility' needs more nuance but jesus, I would never, ever claim to know what is 'bullshit racist accusations' or whatever you said.

Your claim that some posters are racist is based on nothing except your own prejudice and bigotry. It's rude, and honestly, it ought to be reported and deleted, but that might give it some unwarranted legitimacy.

You should retract and apologise.