Gender Critical Disputes - Radical Notion special edition free to read online

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Cant say I have heard of Radical Notion. They say:

THE RADICAL NOTION was founded in 2020 to create a space for the resurgent wave of feminist thinking and activism. This not-for-profit magazine is run by an all-women collective of radical and socialist feminists. We are committed to the materialist analysis of sex-based oppression, and to challenging the material and symbolic structures of male dominance. This moment is a historic opportunity to deepen and widen the analysis of all aspects of women’s political condition, and its foundational role in all systems of extraction and domination.

We welcome words and images from women of all nationalities, classes, ethnicities and backgrounds to illuminate the meaning of feminist politics in their lives, and to create a global picture of this political moment. Our current battle, and the social, political and environmental unravellings we see all around us are, at their root, crises of patriarchy. We want to seize this moment to speak that truth.

theradicalnotion.org/gender-critical-disputes/

It seems quite expensive to subscribe but they have made this issue free to read online. A lot of it seems to be the ongoing antagonism (meaning the issues are real but seem to be motivated as much by personal fallouts) between radical feminist and socialist feminist gender critical women.

Some may remember this thread www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4662757-womens-place-uk-filia-event-the-elephant-ignored-yet-again and the revelation that WPUK seems to now be linked to the group Actual Gender Critical Left, who endlessly snipe about Karin Dansky and KJK.

Anyhow posting in case anyone wants to have a read.

Still not sure why some women think in the day of virtual opportunites to talk directly to other women, they need to go down the routed of "publishing" as though their ideas are somehow special and shouldn't be submitted to the rough and tumble on online forums like this one!

who is 'yourselves'? I think you're talking to one person, me. I'm the one you're quoting.

and now you're calling me a racist. let's talk about that. I think the fact that I have stated that I rely on my own opinions to determine what is and isn't racist means you're very comfortable using slurs about me, yes?

I suspect you have assumed that I don't seek the opinions of others when coming to those views (there may be some transference happening there)

you seem to think there's some absolute concept of racism. that what is deemed racist or not racist never ever changes through history, and is not, in fact, shaped by opinion

did you know that Black History Month started with 'Negro History week'. Are you comfortable saying the words 'Negro History week'? why ever not? Carter G. Woodson was in 1915. what's changed since then?

How comfortable are you describing people as 'coloured'? W.E.B. Du Bois, Ida Bell Wells-Barnett, and Mary White Ovington thought it was just fine (they founded the NAACP). what's changed?

And yet, you get to decide what's racist or not? You've accused posters here of racism, so presumably you think YOU are capable of knowing what is racism, whereas others are not?

There's a word for that way of thinking. More than one, in fact.

The response.

Incidentally, I do suspect that Dr ES initially responded to Hannah Berrelli's thread by reading what her fellow contributer to previous issues of the RN had said. That will be why each one pointlessly told Hannah something she already knew (that radical feminists were not liberal feminists and had different beliefs), instead of answering Hannah's actual fucking question.

twitter.com/EStreachailt/status/1611400387625459713

As I said, I have sincere objections to CRT

Some people interpret that as racism in and of itself, though, don't they? Does that make you a racist?

I don't think I have used the term CRT? You do love a non sequitur don't you?

Nice to see this thread shaping up exactly how I thought it would turn out.

I did consider reporting. Mumsnet isn't compulsory and I don't have to put up with people directing slurs at me

but then I thought, maybe this could be a teachable moment. Maybe @WinterDeWinter could learn to stop throwing insults around when the going gets tough.

we can but dream right?

You too? I wish I had this talent for the lottery numbers.

Let's take this in a new direction. I really want to read Dale Spender's Women of Ideas but it is not in print or on kindle.

Any ideas? Or possible quotations?

Aren't your assumptions kinda, well, racist?

Are you absolutely, definitely, completely sure you do not have links with Brighton/the RN team?

Because you've got the trademark arrogance down pat.

Even I think you are a racist

I mean, what are your credentials here? Do you have a secret past as a BNP councillor?

This puts me well to the right of most liberals. Yet even I think you are a racist.

Ah, as I thought, you can arbitrate in favour of yourself when it comes to things others find offensive, like "carefully interrogating critical race theory", but can decide Bernard is an irredeemable racist, based on what, exactly? That she thinks it can be wrong to label people as "racist" without good reason?

Looking at that twitter thread makes me wonder what the Women’s Studies professors did when the universities changed the name to ‘Gender Studies’?
Did they object?
Or did they nod along?
Or did the petition FOR that change originate from the feminist academics themselves (the road to hell being paved with good intentions).

When I asked an art tutor to recommend Feminist texts I was pointed towards Judith Butler and Judith Halberstam, both of whom now claim to have not-woman gender identities.
I asked for Feminism, I was given Queer Theory. How did that happen? What was the lead up to that point? What happened to feminism in academia between those points (strange they offered up Julie Bindel as an example when Bindel’s university stuff has been more visiting researcher not full time academic (and has achieved loads via publishing in the mainstream press and via direct action).

Obvs Sheila Jeffreys has been a consistent presence right through that time period but was in an Australian university rather than a us/uk one.
We really need some sort of history book that starts as the (reasonably well documented) second wave ends!

Perhaps this is the real origin of the term Farage Feminism? It’s self referential!

2008.... How long have some of you been here??????..I've been looking for the exit for a couple of years...but 15!!!!!!

Ah, the feminists of Farage
She doth disparage

No need for furious reaction
It's just self-depreciation

you think I am a racist because I reserve the right to use my own judgement about what is racist? is that my sole crime or would you like to list any further intringements?

Fuck. Reaction and depreciation don't rhyme, do they.

Okay,

no need for an imprecation
It's just self-deprecation

You genuinely have no idea how you come across, do you?

Someone who is white will not have the same view as someone who is not.

Is it possible to be racist without being white?

Did you accept her invitation to the BNP Christmas party, Bernard?

For pities sake don’t turn up with French wine.

@WinterDeWinter is a bit racist for me to be honest. I prefer not to associate with bigots <hoists bosom>

certainly it's possible to be homophobic and gay according to a previous poster on this thread who accused Andy Ngo of being a homophobe