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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Has anyone tried identifying as another thing?

85 replies

namechange1487 · 03/02/2023 16:25

Bear with my thinking here.

If current thinking is that a birth certificate can be altered to change sex, then has any other challenges been considered?

I've genuinely had a hard but reasonably successful life. Been a bloody slog though. I genuinely feel older than my 50 odd years. I really really do feel and believe that.

So could I ask to be considered to be 67 and get my pension and retire?

I'm knackered.

I'm being absolutely genuine here. If there is a precedent to change 'facts' due to feelings then I want this.

Has this ever been approached? Or looked at?

If ever women need a campaign I think this could be one.

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Witchymcwitch · 03/02/2023 20:31

I identity as a size 8.
I am forced to buy clothes displaying a size 16 label. Totally outrageous.

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 03/02/2023 20:32

RoseslnTheHospital · 03/02/2023 20:18

Having read the article, it seems like a monumental cock up from the DA combined with badly thought out legislation. The case should have been transferred to an adult court, but because it was a juvenile court the sentence was limited as was the ability to order a transfer to an adult prison. The only mitigating factor is that this man was supposed to be kept in solitary for the duration. I don't know if that was the case.

Not exactly a cock-up. This saga went on for months before the trial, because permission to transfer it to adult courts was refused. There was a load of guff about Tubbs' immature mind, and not penalising him for not having been caught as a juvenile. It wasn't a bureaucratic mistake, but an ideological decision.

The prosecutor has changed his mind about all that now, after being made privy to recordings of Tubbs exulting that he was going to get away with it. A little bit late!
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10535513/Los-Angeles-DA-admits-transgender-child-molester-given-short-sentence.html

Needmoresleep · 03/02/2023 20:41

I know a Russian who had just got her British nationality before Putin invaded Ukraine.

She has changed her name, and has asked people not to let on she comes from Russia. She is British. That is where her loyalties are, and where her future is. She no longer identifies as Russian.

(Sad but understandable.)

Tabitha1960 · 03/02/2023 20:44

FOJN · 03/02/2023 17:10

I think it's an excellent question.

Establishing a principle, in law, that you can change legal documents which simply records the facts of an event is a really stupid thing to do.

If you can claim to be something you are not then why shouldn't you be able to claim state pension in your 50's? I would like to see a politician answer this.

The politician would simply reply that trans-gender is a thing, but trans-age isn't.

Then what?

Unsure33 · 03/02/2023 20:59

Yes I suggested exactly the same thing a few weeks ago . There are already people “ identifying “ as disabled and claiming benefits in Europe .

to me it’s no more ridiculous than changing sex , but I suppose the claim would be there is no financial test. But what if a transwoman claimed their pension earlier than they would if they were a man ?

would there be any difference in car insurance ?

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 03/02/2023 21:26

But what if a transwoman claimed their pension earlier than they would if they were a man ?

They've already had some cases of older transwomen who would have qualified for their pension at 65 (as men), but instead were entitled to it from 60, as a woman of their age would then have been.

namechange1487 · 03/02/2023 21:42

FOJN · 03/02/2023 17:10

I think it's an excellent question.

Establishing a principle, in law, that you can change legal documents which simply records the facts of an event is a really stupid thing to do.

If you can claim to be something you are not then why shouldn't you be able to claim state pension in your 50's? I would like to see a politician answer this.

Thank you!

It's my exact point.

I FEEL 67 (and look it) and can evidence my life experience is compatible so why not?

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EpicChaos · 03/02/2023 21:53

NitroNine · 03/02/2023 20:17

Your luck is in @Blackbirdblue30 - well, if you can afford Australian school fees, anyway. The litter box thing was mercifully not true @EpicChaos - but you can understand how it snowballed.

Was it not, @NitroNine ?
Wow, i'm more surprised that it wasn't true, than i was, thinking it was true.
What a terrible and sad state of affairs it is, that it's become so easy to find stuff like that totally believable.

FOJN · 03/02/2023 22:19

Transage identity is an inherent part of who we are, and isn't something that can be "fixed" by simply addressing underlying complexes or traumas.

So the trans age 6 year old girl (actually a woman of 30) in the post at 18.56 was born as a 6 year old and will remain so forever. Presumably this means that they were born weaned and toilet trained, went to school immediately and will never be able to hold down a job but won't be able to apply for unemployment benefit or claim a pension?

I'm guessing despite the "inherent" nature of trans age that it conveniently doesn't work like that.

mummabubs · 03/02/2023 22:35

I told my DH the other day I wish to identify and as a table. I was only half joking.

FOJN · 03/02/2023 22:40

Tabitha1960 · 03/02/2023 20:44

The politician would simply reply that trans-gender is a thing, but trans-age isn't.

Then what?

Then you ask them to explain why? I'm not suggesting asking in order to get a coherent answer, that would be impossible.

ferretface · 03/02/2023 22:45

I identify as younger than I am, tbh. I'm 37 but physically I don't really feel older than 30 or so. Unfortunately my birth certificate and a new proliferation of grey hairs disagree 🤷🏼‍♀️

Cherryana · 03/02/2023 22:49

I would like to identify as French.
But also keep my British passport.
British woman are french women if they say so - n’est pas?

NeverTrustAPoliceman · 03/02/2023 22:51

I know a three year old who identifies as a T-Rex. Except on the days he identifies as some other type of dinosaur. Why is he being forced to live in a house? Why is someone not providing him with a primeval forest? A total violation of his rights.

FOJN · 03/02/2023 22:53

mummabubs · 03/02/2023 22:35

I told my DH the other day I wish to identify and as a table. I was only half joking.

Did he take the hint?

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 03/02/2023 22:56

I'm guessing despite the "inherent" nature of trans age that it conveniently doesn't work like that.

The one in the graphic posted upthread seems to enjoy all the advantages of supposedly being a child, but also conveniently without losing the ability to drive or to earn money by doing a job.

walkinthewoodstoday · 03/02/2023 22:58

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 03/02/2023 18:29

They're all nothing but different rungs on the same ladder. If you accept the validity of the ladder in the first place, it makes absolutely no logical sense whatsoever - and actually just exposes you as a complete hypocrite, bigot and whateverphobe - to deny the validity of any of the other rungs.

Agreed. Jane Fae tried to refute the comparison but they are the same!

walkinthewoodstoday · 03/02/2023 23:01

PopGoesTheProsecco · 03/02/2023 19:15

Just to clarify I think doing ‘black face’ is equally as wrong as drag (just can’t understand why one is unacceptable ant the other is considered ‘brave’.

Makes me think of Michael Jackson and the hate he got for surgery to appear more white. Perhaps that's how he identified. I won't go into the other stuff

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 03/02/2023 23:01

Agreed. Jane Fae tried to refute the comparison but they are the same!

Somebody in the YouTube comments put it very succinctly: basically saying that one [differently-minded] person is telling another person that they aren't allowed to be [differently-minded]!

The commenter used a different word, but that might be verboten on here.

Sazzasez · 03/02/2023 23:13

I identified as a pony for some years in childhood. I could make my Startrites go clip-clop.

TheWitchesAreBackInTown · 03/02/2023 23:22

I used to self id as Brazilian. Blush

ItsCurtainstothat · 03/02/2023 23:27

I’d like to identify as a child. I don’t need to deal with adult worries and can rely on others to provide for me. I can also zone out at school because I know most of it already.

whistleblown · 03/02/2023 23:49

I often wonder this. What if I (as
a white person) suddenly decided I wanted to identity as black? I could paint my face black and everything. Tell people to call me Beyoncé. Would anyone do it? Would I do it? Like fuck we would. Because it's deeply bloody offensive. How's that any different?

hryllilegur · 04/02/2023 07:29

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 03/02/2023 22:56

I'm guessing despite the "inherent" nature of trans age that it conveniently doesn't work like that.

The one in the graphic posted upthread seems to enjoy all the advantages of supposedly being a child, but also conveniently without losing the ability to drive or to earn money by doing a job.

i thought that but was very convenient. oh but she’s ok with the parts of adult life that suit her.

That example seemed to be applying the having cake and eating it too model of trans. You’d think that trans people would be really pissed off with the people who take that attitude. But seemingly it’s all equally valid. 🙄

I don’t see how you can accept the claims of the biology denying gendered soul group and dismiss the passage of time denying aged soul group. Once you start with the choose your own reality (and then call anyone who doesn’t play along to the - changeable - rules you set) route, I don’t see how you can start throwing stones at people who claim their innate being is at odds with a different aspect of the material world.

YouJustDoYou · 04/02/2023 09:28

Not me, but my child. He identifies as a pirate. His pronouns are Arrr/MeHearties, and we have surgery lined up to remove an eye and a leg in order for him to live as his true self and affirm his pirate identity.

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