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Consufed · 2023-02-02T08:39:16+00:00

India Willoughby is going to be on Question Time tonight. BBC1 10.40pm.

Rowthe · 03/02/2023 12:13

I was just shouting at the screen every time India spoke.

How could anyone actually believe any of what came out of India's mouth?

" I am a biological woman!"
???😬

LaughingPriest · 03/02/2023 12:13

I still think the term 'TERF' doesn't reflect what most of us believe. It is not excluding anyone from feminism because they are 'trans' - which has become meaningless anyway. It is because they are male. MERF is far more apt.

Hence I don't identify as a terf. How gendery someone feels has nothing to do with their sex.

Rowthe · 03/02/2023 12:14

Mollyollydolly · 03/02/2023 12:07

I know IW is an idiot. What I found most disturbing was the SNP woman refusing point blank to call a rapist a man. I used to think people in power were intelligent in the main and presumed most had principles. This issue has a changed my view about how our society operates. Out of all the people on that panel the only one who was prepared to state the bleeding obvious was Ella. It's discombobulating, gaslighting on an epic scale.

That was ad.

But I'm assuming the SNP had to back Nicola.

I'm hoping she didnt actually believe the answers she was saying.

LaughingPriest · 03/02/2023 12:17

It has come to something when you hope that people in power are being dishonest rather than stupid.

Beowulfa · 03/02/2023 12:20

Anyone else starting to feel faintly disappointed that they've never been targetted by these mythical predatory lesbians?

Boiledbeetle · 03/02/2023 12:21

@NicolaSturgeonsSOGIbottom can you either do your posts as audio books or come and sit in my living room and just talk at me. That last post was fascinating.

Boiledbeetle · 03/02/2023 12:22

Beowulfa · 03/02/2023 12:20

Anyone else starting to feel faintly disappointed that they've never been targetted by these mythical predatory lesbians?

Well i reckon I'd stand a better chance of fighting her off than one of those new male predatory lesbians.

ArabellaScott · 03/02/2023 12:29

EndlessTea · 03/02/2023 00:29

Argh. It winds me up.

You have to be an actual woman to know the difference in feeling you get in an enclosed space with a male stranger, compared to a female one.

You are de facto not a woman if you think that a woman will feel as on edge around another woman (lesbian, straight, bi, butch, androgynous or feminine), as she would with a man.

It reminds of that incel ages ago mansplaining menstrual product usage to women-

he thought you use one sanitary towel a day during your period and he did the maths based on that, as a gotcha, about women/girls complaining about the cost.

🤦‍♀️

So clueless about women’s lives, you don’t even know where to start.

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That's exactly why India's argument falls on its face.

Every woman in the audience heard that comparison of a predatory male with a predatory lesbian and went

MsRosley · 03/02/2023 12:34

Beowulfa · 03/02/2023 12:20

Anyone else starting to feel faintly disappointed that they've never been targetted by these mythical predatory lesbians?

😂

ArabellaScott · 03/02/2023 12:36

MichaelFabricantWig · 03/02/2023 08:16

Chances are she’s had enough of this shit and no longer gives a fuck. I’m getting there myself.

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Yes. I think more and more women are past caring at this point. Go ahead, try and ostracise us; brand us whatever the fuck you want. I really just couldn't give a hoot anymore. All it will do is illustrate the points women are making - the genderism movement relies on the subjugation of women.

Rowthe · 03/02/2023 12:38

WinterTrees · 02/02/2023 23:09

Ella has the dangerously calm look of a woman who knows this shit inside out and is utterly assured that she can't be caught out.

Contrast certain others on the panel.

The two men on the panel quietly sitting in the corner hoping they dont picked on to talk

zurala · 03/02/2023 12:41

Can I watch this on catch-up anywhere? It sounds really interesting

BigFrau · 03/02/2023 12:45

zurala · 03/02/2023 12:41

Can I watch this on catch-up anywhere? It sounds really interesting

www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episodes/b006t1q9/question-time

Theeyeballsinthesky · 03/02/2023 12:47

LaughingPriest · 03/02/2023 12:13

I still think the term 'TERF' doesn't reflect what most of us believe. It is not excluding anyone from feminism because they are 'trans' - which has become meaningless anyway. It is because they are male. MERF is far more apt.

Hence I don't identify as a terf. How gendery someone feels has nothing to do with their sex.

Tbh I think at sone point last year we agreed it stood for Tired of Explaining Reality to Fuckwits 😁

BellaAmorosa · 03/02/2023 12:55

LaughingPriest · 03/02/2023 10:15

Just about to watch now.

I know many people disagree but can we please not be nasty about people's appearances on here? I'm sure many women could be called masculine-looking and it is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT to whether they are women.

There is enough to criticise about what people claim to think. I won't be part of mocking appearances. It's what India does, ffs, and we are better than that.

Asymmetrically sized eyes can be due to medical conditions.

Well said. Cervix jokes are fair enough, though.

scratchedbymycat · 03/02/2023 12:57

This was IW before QT. I genuinely think she bought into the SNP belief that self-id is totally supported by the public and she was entering la-la unicorn land. I think reality was a bit of a shock. I hope politicians took note of the mood too.

The other thing I noted in Fiona's introduction to IW, was the. assertion that IW is "a supporter of independence".

Honestly, I can't help thinking IW thought that would immediately endear her to a certain section of the public, because the SNP gov has established the principle that if you support Independence you can get away with almost anything. Sadly, the Scottish public keeps proving them correct by re-electing them. Not last night though.

The truth is too, that if the person representing TW on that panel was someone other than IW, the reaction would have been far worse. Imagine if someone built like Isla Bryson with a baritone voice sat there? Reality would have really hit home then. IW is the kind of TW the GRC imagined in 2004. Isla Bryson and her ilk are who self-id 2023 include.

India Willoughby, Question Time Thu 2 Feb 2240

ReneBumsWombats · 03/02/2023 12:58

Beowulfa · 03/02/2023 12:20

Anyone else starting to feel faintly disappointed that they've never been targetted by these mythical predatory lesbians?

Yeah. Why don't they like me?

EmmaEmerald · 03/02/2023 13:00

Rowthe · 03/02/2023 12:03

And no called India out on it.

India kept saying " what about if I had to go to prison?"

And any time anyone brought up legitimate concerns would accuse them of homophobia or racism.
Really offensive.

Ella was great!

Just repeating the facts. You cant change sex.

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At first I wondered why no one commented but I then thought about it and realised that you’d have to be so incredibly careful what you said.

NicolaSturgeonsSOGIbottom · 03/02/2023 13:02

Boiledbeetle · 03/02/2023 12:21

@NicolaSturgeonsSOGIbottom can you either do your posts as audio books or come and sit in my living room and just talk at me. That last post was fascinating.

Aw, thanks! My brain functions a bit like an old fashioned kaleidoscope, loads of scattered bits and pieces just rattling about and then with half-a-turn to the front cylinder a pattern forms (and I need to sketch it out on paper before it disappears again 😝)

I’m sort-of-half considering signing up for a Medium or Substack account and copying over some of my longer posts, if only because whole MN threads can vanish in the blink of an eye and if you spend your morning typing out not just your opinion on current events but also the thought process that led you to that opinion, including any relevant primary and secondary source links it’s a bit bloody annoying.

See also: the page reloading while you are mid post 😬

Angelwings77 · 03/02/2023 13:03

Madcats · Today 12:09
"Predatory Lesbians" would be a good sequel to the Apple TV series "Bad Sisters" (I don't think any of them are lesbians, but I am only on episode 4, and really am not too sure what a lesbian is these days now that some have penises)

One of the Bad Sisters is a lesbian and I’m pretty sure Bibi doesn’t have a penis

Boiledbeetle · 03/02/2023 13:04

Theeyeballsinthesky · 03/02/2023 12:47

Tbh I think at sone point last year we agreed it stood for Tired of Explaining Reality to Fuckwits 😁

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😁

PatientZorro · 03/02/2023 13:04

HootyMcboob76 · 02/02/2023 23:42

Mis-read your quote to read "makes pissing harder".

Thought to myself, that'll be the old prostate then India.

Oh dear, time for bed I think.

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😂😂 classic.

Usually I can’t watch QT as it makes me want to rip out the tv and chuck it out the window.

Having read this thread I’m going to make an exception…I want to see Ella and yellow dress lady letting the sunlight stream in.

Whatsnewpussyhat · 03/02/2023 13:07

hamstersarse · 03/02/2023 11:10

I was reading some hideous paper about why men can become women <a class="break-all" href="//(www.cambridge.org/core/journals/hypatia/article/trans-women-are-or-are-becoming-female-disputing-the-endogeneity-constraint/090DEAA53EA17414C5D3E8D76ED5A75C" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">here) and it struck me that there may be something that we need to stop doing when trying to find common ground

From this part here:

"Both the Beauvoirian and Butlerian approaches, broadly speaking, agree that there are concepts we call sex (male and female) and gender (man and woman). The core distinction, I take it, is one of direction. On the Beauvoirian approach, sex is prior to gender, such that the concept of woman is understood as a series of roles and norms that are interpreted from and imposed upon people who are female. On the Butlerian approach, on the other hand, gender is prior, such that we categorize bodies as male and female in order to fit the socially constructed roles of man and woman."

I think there is something in the interchangeable way in which we use female and woman that seems to be causing some of the confusion and animosity. IW does not refer to 'herself' as female, but does refer to 'herself' as a woman. And in some ways that does line up to what many GC's believe - that gender is more variable.

Maybe all I am saying is that we need to get our words right here - use female in all interactions to be totally exact.

No.
Neither female nor woman should be used to refer to a male human, and 'man' and 'woman' are not bloody genders.
They can call themselves transwomen all they want but they still belong to the male sex class.

Besides, TRA's are now using trans female and referring to themselves as female because they refuse to allow women to differentiate ourselves in any way or with any words.

Boiledbeetle · 03/02/2023 13:07

NicolaSturgeonsSOGIbottom · 03/02/2023 13:02

Aw, thanks! My brain functions a bit like an old fashioned kaleidoscope, loads of scattered bits and pieces just rattling about and then with half-a-turn to the front cylinder a pattern forms (and I need to sketch it out on paper before it disappears again 😝)

I’m sort-of-half considering signing up for a Medium or Substack account and copying over some of my longer posts, if only because whole MN threads can vanish in the blink of an eye and if you spend your morning typing out not just your opinion on current events but also the thought process that led you to that opinion, including any relevant primary and secondary source links it’s a bit bloody annoying.

See also: the page reloading while you are mid post 😬

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I think you should.

And the page thing is driving me la la at the moment.

picklemewalnuts · 03/02/2023 13:07

BringMeTea · 03/02/2023 11:38

Anyone remember a few years ago and IW was on Big Brother and there was a thread. And some folks were confused by the initials and Ian Woosnam started trending? 😂 Fun times. I also recall poor Anne Widdecombe being harangued by IW after innocently saying 'he'.

You don't often see Anne Widdicombe looking worried, but she certainly does in the clip posted up thread where India marches in to harangue them all.