India Willoughby, Question Time Thu 2 Feb 2240

[Consufed]

India Willoughby is going to be on Question Time tonight. BBC1 10.40pm.

Then Someone who knows how needs to archive it now.

I don't have a clue

I'm not on Twatter and can't access the poll. Am I right to assume that it concluded that IW is a dissimulating puddle of bum gravy?

Petition signed, thank you for the link.
IW was utterly incoherent

Favourite snippet from Twitter this evening...

"Before social media people like that would simply spend their days standing at bus stops and arguing with pigeons."

I can’t actually believe that real grown up adults are discussing which men should be allowed to go into female prisons (Elizabeth Fry must be rolling in her grave), and that we should trust the prison service and their risk assessments - given they were about to let a rapist into a female prison. I can only think that they don’t think rape is a serious crime.

Everyone in the world knows exactly why prisons are segregated on the basis of sex, EVERYONE knows, unfortunately it doesn’t take much imagination…we just know.

But now people are too scared to say that people can’t change sex for fear of being called a name, as Ella said, it’s an undeniable truth that we can’t actually change sex, no matter how kind we are. And as we know, male offending patterns do not change (even for those that would like to think they can change sex) when they ‘transition’.

I am fed up of adults pandering to this and dancing around language, men are (statistically) a risk to women; and people can’t change sex. My 7 year old knows why her elder brother now has to change in the boys changing room after swimming…she is fucking 7 and she gets it.

Everyone who is not quite there yet, we must start being truthful and not allowing language to be twisted. I’m done with this, people can call me what they want, but if our collective actions stops putting women at risk, we must continue and tell the truth - they think by calling us names we will shamed and shut up, we must not, our shame is nothing compared to what vulnerable women are experiencing in prisons (and other places) all for the sake of being kind.

There you go!

Just watching the Kelly Jay spat with Windy posted earlier. Whatever happened to Miranda Yardley?

I wish someone had asked IW for the evidence on the bullshit that transwomen (no space, because men are not a type of woman) are 20 x more likely to be attacked than women?

Scaping the barrel with the predatory lesbian nonsense.

People so gutless that they can't even state that a double racist is a man. Pathetic.

Ella is right that it's about reality and facts. The majority of the audience seemed to agree with her.

Argh. It winds me up.

You have to be an actual woman to know the difference in feeling you get in an enclosed space with a male stranger, compared to a female one.

You are de facto not a woman if you think that a woman will feel as on edge around another woman (lesbian, straight, bi, butch, androgynous or feminine), as she would with a man.

It reminds of that incel ages ago mansplaining menstrual product usage to women-

he thought you use one sanitary towel a day during your period and he did the maths based on that, as a gotcha, about women/girls complaining about the cost.

🤦‍♀️

So clueless about women’s lives, you don’t even know where to start.

It didn't look like anyone was convinced by the "predatory lesbian" take. I think the "women get raped anyway so who cares if it happens more" argument is no longer carrying the weight it once used to. Sorry, India, I know you like it.

I haven’t rtft, but I really loved that woman who was saying you can’t change sex, and that she basically admitted she sees IW as a man ‘I wish you no harm’. I thought she was courageous.

twitter.com/historywoman/status/1621258760504184832

I had a look on twitter and I think the tweet India chose for an example was minimising, to say the least.

In case anyone else like me missed it, heres a great clip on youtube

I can't understand who IW and others didn't understand that this would be the inevitable conclusion of self ID that you are lumped in with rapists and TWAW collapses

Thats so personal. That woman was just speaking in the abstract about no one in particular and IW goes nuclear getting personal - turning her skin colour into an insult.

Vicious fool.

Yes, everything is turned into the personal with India, hence the prison comments that went awry.

India has just tweeted that being on QT tonight was like being 'lynched'. Absolutely appalling language and an utter disgrace.

(I'm in the Antipodes and can't get Iplayer [can't sort a VPN out either at the mo because my bank is useless] - is there any way I could see a clip of yellow dress woman? I've already seen the one of magnificent Ella.)

3 cheers for Yellow dress woman and Ella!

I actually can't believe SNP seem to have created a 3rd category of people Male, Female & Rapist.
No thought that a Rapist could be in women's spaces making them uncomfortable, and abusing them before conviction.

This whole thing has to unravel. Well and truly unravel. The tide has to turn.
What are they waiting for a girl to be raped by 'a girl' in school toilets?

I remember years ago a fairly well known trans woman used to post here a lot, and said that when she had her major reassignment surgery she had to sign a disclaimer saying that she understood that the operation wouldn't actually change her sex.
What's happened to that? Does it no longer happen?

She also couldn't care less about pronouns.

I don't want to name her as she obviously got so much grief she decided to fade from the public eye, but many of you will know who I mean.

Funnily enough, she and Debbie Hayton, who says trans women are men including herself, are the only TW I automatically refer to as she/her with no problem.

Looking forward to watching and shouting at QT tomorrow!

Apologies, the correct wording is that India compared the audience to a 'lynch mob'. Not any better, of course; I just want to be accurate. Unlike India.

I get a feeling I might not agree with everything Ella wheelman may have opinions on , but she was great . India was awful , shutting down sensible debate as everyone is bigoted. But that statement “ I am a biological woman” ……. I just hate liars .

Already happened in America. And the school covered it up.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11512735/amp/Father-girl-raped-trans-friendly-toilet-slams-grand-jury-not-finding-school-responsible.html

He was also pictured with a bloody mouth after being beaten and dragged out of a school board meeting where teachers lied about never receiving reports of sex assaults in the girls' toilets.

^The girl's father who tried to complain.

Those studio lights are unforgiving aren't they. IW looked nothing like the filtered pictures usually shown. Jowls, one comically arched eyebrow and a tiny eye. I think the attempts at 'feminising' the face must have gone wrong somewhere.

Anyway, classic DARVO. Completely change the subject of men in women's spaces to <yawn> black women, predatory lesbians (yes, because they're the same as men you know) and the 1970s. Not able to actually explain anything relevant to the topic or even the year we are in. Surprised we didn't get Nazis thrown in as well, as that's a popular one with IW on twitter.

A clip where someone took a video of their tv.

twitter.com/MrsLouiseWS/status/1621287526626377729?cxt=HHwWgoCy9cua_P8sAAAA

Thank you!

They usually go for dinner after the show.

I wonder if they did this time.