Is any one just a little bit gleeful right now?

[Appalonia]

After so many years seemingly howling in the wind, FINALLY the MSM are taking the issues , seriously, it's on front page news, discussed in Westminster, BBC, ITV, C4,it's all over Twitter, even the bloody GUARDIAN is reporting on it, and, by the outrage over Adam Graham, the convicted rapist being put in a women's jail, it looks like we are on the right side of history after all...

I missed that one. Too bloody right. It's question that needs asking of anyone who says TWAW from now on. its the only way this is going to get through to people.

Boiledbeetle · Today 12:53

When they realise self ID is actually already here, via be kind and if you're not you're a bigoted terf, in all of the UK whether it's in legislation yet or not people aren't going to be that impressed.

On the subject of self ID, here's a crappy letter from Ireland:

www.theguardian.com/theobserver/commentisfree/2023/jan/29/declaring-my-own-gender-made-me-the-woman-i-am-today

I am full of glee but also experiencing a massive surge of fury at everyone who let this happen — and in some cases are still letting it happen. It's now 25 years since I watched someone I knew transition from male to female and become a misogynistic ar**le. I had no idea what it was about then, but I knew it wasn't good for women. It must be getting on for 15 years ago that a man turned up in a women's group with make-up and women's clothing and insisted on his right as a woman to stay there. He went on to infiltrate Women's Aid and all the other single-sex organisations in the area and cause massive fall-out.

I've been shouting and waving a red flag ever since then and I'm furious that so many people ignored something so obviously wrong for so many years. I want people held accountable and names named. I want Ruth Hunt deprived of her title. I want another female member of the HoL who bullied and threatened Tanni Grey-Thompson (a disabled member of the HoL) because TGT spoke up strongly for single sex loos, to be named and shamed. I want Susie Green in jail. I want Kathleen Stock and others who've been harassed and bullied to receive apologies from the institutions that supported their torment and I want the people who did it to be sacked. And of course I want justice for all the young people who've been sterilised and mutilated because no one in a position of responsibility and power was prepared to stand up and say no.

Yes! Figuratively AND literally. Because the same argument can be used for toilets, of course.

At what point does a male with mal intent become 'unsafe' to be in female single sex spaces??? Knowing that most rapists are never caught, or even reported.

They cannot logic their way out of this. They can only try to band aid over it and try the 'well, MOST aren't so why discriminate against them'. To which we continue to push, 'why do we discriminate against ALL males'.

And then they really cannot come up with anything believable as to why them as a special group will get consideration....

Ugh

All about the man no thought for the women.

What a creep

Boiledbeetle · Today 13:02

All about the man no thought for the women.

EndlessTea · Today 13:08

What a creep

Pretty well my thoughts.

They’re not going to try to logic their way out of it.

They’re going to continue to bamboozle everyone with ‘be kind’ and cries of transphobia/bigotry.

There are still enough people utterly terrified of being ‘unkind’ or ‘phobic’ that they’ll stop asking questions and beg to be re-educated.

sadly.

Yeuch.

Or they fall back on 'well, if they want to rape you, they'll rape you regardless of the sign on the door' or 'well, you can report them after the event' or 'don't be so pathetic!! You're making yourselves into victims'.

It's the utter lack of any compassion or empathy shown by TRA's towards anyone who (for many different reasons) doesn't unthinkingly chat the mantra 'well, you can pee beside me!'. Gender ideology is at it's heart 'well, you asked for equality!' repurposed. It's a luxury belief.

Thanks Corgi, Ill check out the blog post.

I think there will always be hardcore believers. Belief can be so deeply tied up to identity that it can be impossible to let go of- even in the face of incontrovertible evidence.
Or, some might do a complete 180 and become extreme (hateful) on the other side- like reformed drinkers/smokers/born again religious fanatics- attacking via others the part of themselves they are now disowning.
Human nature and behaviour will follow for this as with everything else I think.
This is hopefully about the difference that can be made by turning the moderate, unaware majority as you say.

I've seen some misinformation (possibly on purpose, ie lies) from people who should know better claiming if Scotland's GRA reform had passed the individual would have gone to a women's prison. This is false.

Still not seeing what there is to be "gleeful" about IMO?

A lot, possibly most, won't think it through much more than that, but a reasonable number will take an interest, discuss it with family and friends and give it longer currency. That has to be a good thing, don't you think? Keep it going as a pot boiler and every time there's a similar case, speaking up about it.

Yes absolutely. Don't get me wrong, I'm delighted at any progress here, for any reason.

I have found it illuminating, what drives people. I include myself in that too.

Awww nice try Mags but you need new tactics. Trolling's moved on a lot since 2018. Check 4chan for the latest.

Never stop tho...you're magnificent and you always brighten up my day. I love the feeling of schadenfreude.

It’s what happens right now all across the UK so why is it wrong?

Currently, men with a GRC that says they are female are automatically assigned to the female estate and then assessed, and men without a GRC who say they are female but don’t have the correct paperwork go to the male estate and are then assessed.

That’s why TRAs say Karen White happened due to a failure of the existing process.

If Adam Graham had a new Scottish style GRC he would’ve automatically been assigned to the female estate while being assessed.

Which is what happened without a GRC anyway, Karen White style.

What is there to be "gleeful" about? Wouldn't you rather the double rape didn't happen at all to begin with?

Possibly the most slimy, dishonest, disgusting, immoral, foul, slanderous thing I've ever seen posted here.

You should be so thoroughly ashamed of posting this. Not even you could possibly believe for one single moment that that is what the poster meant. Not even you.

Margey, you keep using that shit image despite it being thoroughly debunked (with links to the relevant legislation and information from policy analysts) on many, many threads.

Maybe time to retire it, aye?

This was exactly what I said to DH yesterday.

The conspiracy theorist in me is very interested about the timing of this outrage.

I second this post.

Also, what about that extremely dodgy “Afford trans people ECHR Article 8 privacy” that gets a green tick.

Suddenly no one is allowed to mention the rapists cock in the room because it ‘breeches his Article 8 rights”, so no one is allowed to warn the women who are in danger.

No one deserves that kind of privacy. It’s outrageous. I don’t care if they’ve had it inverted or stitched to their ear. No one should have this licence to lie and hide theIr past. It certainly should be extremely difficult to obtain at a minimum.

Yeah we see a lot lot lot lot lot lot lot lot of misinformation on these boards. I think by now most posters, can work out which posters are responsible for it.

Don't you?

Because it's certainly not coming from me.

@MargaritaPie you're missing the point in the same way that Nicola Sturgeon has so desperately tried to do...the new GRC law may not give additional rights but it makes it easier (in fact ludicrously easier) for a man to be considered a woman and therefore able to access rights that are were previously only available to the small number of people holding a GRC.

It's staggering how many men who say they are actually women only want women's rights if they are those that apply to them. They aren't interested in protecting the hard won rights of "cis" women whom they say they are indivisible from. It doesn't make sense.