Is any one just a little bit gleeful right now?

[Appalonia]

After so many years seemingly howling in the wind, FINALLY the MSM are taking the issues , seriously, it's on front page news, discussed in Westminster, BBC, ITV, C4,it's all over Twitter, even the bloody GUARDIAN is reporting on it, and, by the outrage over Adam Graham, the convicted rapist being put in a women's jail, it looks like we are on the right side of history after all...

I do support trans rights. Men who say they are women have exactly the same rights as all other men, plus protection in equality law against being discriminated against because of their belief and gender reassignment in which they present themselves "as a woman".

They are different from women though, even Sturgeon says so.

Not really.

It's like the past never happened. The court case in 2009 where a male convict won the right to apply to be in a female prison because otherwise they couldn't 'live as a woman' and get surgery isn't mentioned. That insane case precedent is presumably still there. What happens when the next one sues?

And what the activists are saying is that it's just about case management and the specific crime. They will be quite happy, in fact they may even push, for a violent woman who attacks women to be put into the male estate. Not one of them has conceded that male convicts should be in male prisons. Not one of them has conceded that female people are intrinsically more at risk from male people in multiple specific ways. Only Julie Bindel campaigns to get male prison staff out of women's prisons - the activists complain that nobody campaigns on this because they won't mention JB or acknowledge feminism based on y'know, being female.

GB News clips on twitter mean pretty much nothing.

This is the thing.

They don't want their own trans rights, they want to take over women's rights.

Not one of them has conceded that male convicts should be in male prisons.

Exactly. They just cannot use the terms male yet. As if it has been scrubbed from everyone's memory. No males in female prisons should be the end of it.

Cat also feels tempted to shit in the bag on the way out.

Thanks for the info

I'm not a little bit gleeful - I'm massively and no doubt unsuitably cockahoop.

All the well-meaning bleaters are having to say the quiet part out loud - that TWAW is a polite fiction with limits - and women locked in with LITERAL RAPISTS is being recognised as the hideous scandal and travesty it is.

I'm still raging that it's taken so long. And under no illusions that there's a huge amount still to do. But feels like this may just be the end of the beginning.

I’m not feeling gleeful. I’m just hoping we can get to the bit where the consensus can sit at ‘trans women are not women’ and then have a sensible discussion about it.

Other inaccuracies will need to be moved beyond too. Notably we need people
to stop repeating myths about trans people being the ‘most vulnerable’ and, particularly, to stop with all the extremely dangerous misinformation about suicide (especially when conflated with ‘genocide’).

I fear we are such a long way off a sensible discussion about how people of either sex can choose to dress how they want (so long as it’s appropriate for the occasion - fetish wear is never appropriate in the supermarket!), have their hair however they like, enjoy whatever hobbies and interests they want, work in whatever job they like (so long as it’s legal) and so on - and non of it has anything to do with whether they’re a man or a woman.

I feel like the western world missed a moment where we could have dismissed gender stereotypes as the bullshit they are and actually been progressive about what men (in particular) wear and do. Somehow we saw that possibility and decided to grab the stereotypes as tight as possible and reject reality instead. Just depressing.

It is positive that the logical impossibilities of the TWAW mantra are becoming apparent. But I’m not confident that it will generalise and allow a proper discussion of the corrosive effect the idea of gender has across society. But I really don’t think the ‘be kind’ armour will shift to have a sensible discussion.

Especially not since North America is so utterly wedded to this shite.

These are the mantras which have been chanted ad nauseam at us for years.

Acceptance without question.
No debate.
'TW are literally W'
'Female in every circumstance'

Anytime anyone said 'hang on, maybe not in all circumstances', they were told that they were an evil bigot, who was calling for genocide.

So, it's now time for TRA's to own it.

Also

www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/1/26/trans-rapist-will-not-serve-time-in-womens-jail-sturgeon
www.euronews.com/2023/01/27/scotland-crime-rape
www.cbsnews.com/news/transgender-woman-rape-scotland-mens-prison-nicola-sturgeon-uk/
www.foxnews.com/world/transgender-woman-stalked-girl-man-granted-transfer-scotland-all-womens-prison-report
www.news.com.au/world/trans-women-with-violent-past-barred-from-scottish-female-prison/video/8627c101c31dd44583de70c721d62aa1

Just a bit gleeful!

Gleeful but cautious.

Why now? Why has the media suddenly decided to use apostrophes around "her penis" and use photos and platform people saying this is ridiculous? There is nothing new about this scenario. Why has "Isla" in his leggings got traction when bristly Karen White didn't?

No, not yet.
As shown by the delusional gender ideologues on this very thread - there are still people who don’t get it, don’t want to get it, are too entrenched to acknowledge the truth and reality, or just fucking hate women/females in general. These people are actively working to continue with TWAW, despite the absolute delusional beliefs required to support it.

I will be gleeful/happy/able to move on when my ASD child no longer has to miss out on therapies and support because I don’t want them exposed to this gender crap.

I'm hugely enjoying the moment but I'm also hyper aware that's all it is. Sturgeon made it clear in that Channel 4 (I think?) news clip that she sees this as a pause and nothing more.

Yes I do feel gleeful. Fuck it. Bringing it all out in the open and forcing Sturgeon and her pals to explain themselves is just such a relief. Even Channel 4 news (who prefer to cover unrest in Peru than women's rights at home) showed a lingering shot of 'Isla' in unseemly yoga pants last night.

Everybody knows he's a man. This won't go away, Sturgeon is going to have to defend it at every public appearance she makes going forward, and journalists will no longer accept mantras.

Starmer is looking on and taking notes.

No. You don’t.

You laugh at the witches who get pies to their faces.

You cannot be honestly thinking that anyone reading your posts can believe that you ever care about women.

It is just not possible at this stage.

I DO feel gleeful - it's especially glorious seeing Sturgeon get her comeuppance; the timing of the Bryson case couldn't have been better if it had been meticulously planned by a coven of TERFS - but I am also wary. We've had false dawns in the past where we've thought "Ah, NOW people get it" but then we've returned to business as normal. The sad truth is that all our major institutions, including the NHS, the police, the judiciary, the civil service and our universities, have been ideologically captured and it's going to take a long time to reverse the damage.

It's really interesting. It makes me want to study the dynamics of campaigns and also what you need to do to engage people.

I think Karen White was the first thing I told friends and family years ago, I think they just didn't really believe me or didn't realise it was a systemic problem. Now they are "it's just insane".

Around 1.20. Pie dismissed this as violence.

and dismissed the violence against women in Oakland because another cream pie.

And silly string and water sprayed in women’s faces because ‘comedy’ uses same things

MargaritaPie unashamedly dismisses violence against women because they are women that pie disagrees with.

So no Pie.

You most certainly do not give fucks about all the witches.

I can’t be gleeful until children & young people are no longer put on cross sex hormones, until young women stop having double mastectomies to make them look like men and until young men realise they can have long hair and like flowers without having to call themselves women.

I hope I see these changes.

The decision of where to send transwomen was always decided on a case-by-case basis anyway, this isn't the first time a transwoman has been sent to a male prison.

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I would love to see the criteria that justifies sending some yet not all, biological men into a space segregated for women

And for the desperate TRA's now saying that 'TWA are literally W, in all circumstances, you bigot. Apart from convicted rapists of course, we didn't mean them!!', here's a meme entitled 'Nicola Sturgeon be like'

twitter.com/Self_Made_Dan/status/1620177004367863809?s=20&t=aKxiqiW9wa9tN1bga14Igg

I'M FEELING QUIETLY OPTIMISTIC ABOUT ALL THIS

I’m with the pp who’ve said that there are still serious issues and a mountain to climb etc but I’m gleeful because I feel a very very important thing has happened: people can talk about it all openly without the danger of being labelled Mad Bigots. It’s broken through. I don’t know people any longer who feel this is just like gay rights. That makes me so very very happy because I absolutely hated that feeling of watching people label me every time the subject came up. I think that’s the most important mountain we faced, actually.

Yes, this.

Well someone didn't my joke!

touched too close to the truth I think.