Sturgeon getting an absolute grilling on Channel 4 News

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I should imagine the clip will be doing the rounds on twitter shortly if it's not already, but their Scotland correspondant Ciaran Jenkins did a really good job in a brief interview with her when she was on a tour of a TV studio today. Raised the issue of Katie Dolatowski, and got her quite rattled trying to get her to justify her comments about transphobia and racism. Should be on about 8:15/8:20ish if you want to watch it on C4+1

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No ferries to launch them off though, eh?

Hmm, seeing if women sink or float. Now what does that remind me of again…

Nicola has come out as a transmedicalist, I see…

Truscum are no better than terves in TraLaLand.

I wonder what Maggie has to say about this?

Good grief, at this point even she has no idea what she's talking about. It isn't relevant as to whether they're a man or a woman, but we're going to consider as to whether they go to a male or a female prison. In which case, yes, sex is going to be the key thing you start from isn't it? Because a female isn't going to a male prison, and 99% of men there's no question of a female prison.

The looney land bus stops here.

As for 'mustnt inadvertantly trample the rights of some men' - duckie, there is no right for men to have access to females. Anywhere. It doesn't exist. You made that one up.

If you think they need different or extra resources than those from their sex, you crack on providing them. Special units, better facilities for vulnerable males, ice cream and weetabix, you go for it. But saying no to men in prisons tramples no 'right' of men. It does however get your elephantine clodhoppers off the rights of vulnerable women not to be subjected to double punishment, or cruel and unusual punishment by living without privacy and in fear of males in their showers and spaces when they're locked in. Why anyone would think this is acceptable absolutely defeats me, it's appalling.

These people are incurably mad.

I wonder if someone could resurrect the ‘Repent Motherfucker’ tambourine for this occasion?

Sturgeon is desperately spouting gibberish as her party loses supporters and money in a daily basis. Are any of her band of merry men/ women/ rapists going to be brave enough to demand her resignation?

I should add I took that transcript off the Sun's youtube video. I tried to tidy it up and add punctuation, but there may be some small errors (see Douglas Ross/chocolate straws). I think Sturgeon said 'trans' not 'a trans' and that syntax looks a bit odd. I'll rewatch and check.

Top story on the Telegraph:

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/02/02/sturgeon-gender-policy-disarray-refuses-say-transgender-rapist/

Sturgeon gender policy in disarray after she refuses to say transgender rapist is female
The First Minister insists she ‘does not have enough information’ to make a decision on a major question thrown up in the Isla Bryson case

Guido also points out the lunacy of the situation:

twitter.com/guidofawkes/status/1621161684063723520?s=46&t=bMpgqt2HUQDJQAa_3M9Qpw

While The Times (at the top of the Scotland section) goes with:

Isla Bryson ‘almost certainly’ masquerading as trans, says Sturgeon

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/3a52c1f8-a317-11ed-befb-a61c39e55892?shareToken=58f52ce49bc33aede7d38e5ab4c4f9d4

That is mad. She makes the bloody law. She can't just cop out.

Independent Scotland, I don't think so. You need someone who understands actually law making. She seems not to

They are maddening. Of course he's bloody trans, he said so. Do they even understand what the words self ID mean?

If they think they have the expertise to determine who is and isn't trans then why remove all safeguarding? It's as if they're saying, "yeah, we can tell who's trans but we've deliberately legislated to give sexually violent and predatory men access to women cos Maggie Chapman said it progressive".

I wonder what the collective IQ of the SNP and Scottish Greens is?

"my feeling is that is almost certainly the case"

but it's not your feeling that counts Nicola.

It is Isla's feelings that matter

It's the application of the law Nicola that you had drafted, supported and squashed any reasonable safeguards on.

She should be ashamed. How can people vote for her?

Is Maggie still on strike? I can’t imagine she’s happy about Nicola not validating Isla’s identity.

It is quite sad, really. Sturgeon et al are still (even in this horrible situation) really ignoring women.

She talks about other jurisdictions being similar. Well, Ireland has self-ID and are locking up women with male sex offenders. Sex offenders! So, is Sturgeon's position that it is fine to lock the women up with the rapists like these other jurisdictions. Is she just being politic and waiting until all the silly fuss over women dies down again, and they can let the rapist (and other offenders) men (however they identify) have their bit of sport again?

I'm also amazed she is not exposed for deliberately not wishing the rapist being to be prevented from self id as a woman. The SNP deliberately voted against preventing a rapist from id as a woman; with all that means for prisons, changing rooms, refuges, etc. The very safety of women.

She also stated that men who id as women, my words, (and get recognition from the state as being that id) and go onto commit crimes is so very small. She did also say that those in the general population (and don't id as the other sex) is also very small. Why isn't there the same safeguarding wrt the cohort that id's as the other sex then? Shouldn't there be the exact same treatment as there is for a rapist who doesn't claim to be other than a male rapist. Then this double rapist wouldn't have been able to waltz along and transgressed the boundaries and comfort of those women on which he could view them in a state of undress. That was because the rapist claimed to be a woman, wasn't it?

Isla Bryson ‘almost certainly’ masquerading as trans, says Sturgeon

Oh, come on, Nicola!

We all know that men don't lie about these things . . .

While The Times (at the top of the Scotland section) goes with:

Isla Bryson ‘almost certainly’ masquerading as trans, says Sturgeon

Hmm, so this is what she's using as her get out clause. Something that has been pointed out over and over again and which has been ridiculed by those making the policies about trans people.

But now it's miraculously a valid opinion!

Surely everyone who claims to be other than what they are is masquerading as something else.

Absolutely this. Every last one of them is playing a part.

My understanding of all this is:

1. The definition of a trans woman is "any biological male that says they are"

1. TWAW

1. From 1. and 2. it follows that any biological male that wants one can have a GRC

1. Also from 1. and 2. it follows that all TWs that are incarcerated should be held in the Women's estate

1. But SG has stopped the incarceration of TWs in the women's estate because of one or two bad actors.

1. So we now have AATWAW (Almost All TWAW)

1. But if 3. had been enacted then 5. and 6. would be challenged and, given the Haldane ruling, be declared illegal.

How am I doing so far? More to the point, how is NS doing so far?

I think it’s worrying that so many claims made by people like Sturgeon are based on subjective individual risk assessments, although she must know that so many of the services that provide the risk assessments - social services, prisons, probation services - are struggling to function.

@FOJN the collective IQ of the SNP and Scottish greens is a genetic cul de sac

I am now madly fangirling over Douglas Ross. I'm not even in Scotland but I'm gonna email him. He might or might not be tiptoeing around the full issue, or possibly hes just upset at Isla whatsisface being in the female estate and has given no thought to any men being in there. I do believe wee Jimmy has shot herself in the foot in this. She said the prison service have been jailing tw in the female estate since 2014. I do not believe there have been no incidents in that time. I do believe Ross will be able to find any.

And I will try to make my email short but with some good points, I hope.

Trans women are individuals, just like you and me, people who have their own views on everything and their own experiences - and many times who have experienced hurdles and discrimination as a result of their identity.

Which makes them just like any other man. Women do not want single sex spaces because they think all men are rapists. They want single sex spaces and services because a minority of men are rapists, but also because they want privacy and dignity.

Self ID laws and policies create an opening for men who get a thrill out of abusively crossing boundaries.

Adam Graham did this multiple times before being finally convicted of rape. Sturgeon’s government enabled that.

So NS has admitted a man has probably used self ID to get access to womens prisons. Therefore logically not all trans people do so for non-sinister reasons. Therefore if you allow unfettered self ID some men who access womens safe spaces may have done so, not because they have been born in the wrong body but purely to access women’s safe spaces. Self ID allows men to access women’s safe spaces. Self ID is inherently dangerous to women. NS is trying to enact legislation which facilitates the attack and rape of women. Who the hell is voting for Aunt Nicola?

Alex Massie

Sturgeon and the Mystery of the Woman who Wasn’t

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0a902790-a316-11ed-befb-a61c39e55892?shareToken=a1df895682b61fa6a2df16c7cffdfe4a