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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Daily Mail article about "controversial transgender prisoner, 6ft 5in Katie Dolatowski"

96 replies

unclebuck · 27/01/2023 22:15

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11684997/Read-killer-born-man-woman-identifies-BABY.html

It's a no holds barred account. This doesn't seem possible even 6 months ago.

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aweegc · 28/01/2023 01:33

It sounds very much like there is now a double rapist in the women's wing of Soughton (HMP Edinburgh - never seen it called that before).

I also want to see an article about which sex prison guard is doing the body searches on trans prisoners. As I understand there's a strip search evetytume prisoners (re-)enter prison and that it should be done by the same sec guard(s). Personally I have major issues with any strip searches and would prefer they were done with scanners like at the airport, but obviously there's no chance of that investment being made. Given that they are a routine part of prison life, who is this falling to?

TheClogLady · 28/01/2023 01:35

Thingybob · 28/01/2023 01:25

Why is 36 year old Daniel Eastwood (who identifies as a baby) in a young offenders institution?

The SPS site says Polmont is for young people between 16 and 21

www.sps.gov.uk/Corporate/Prisons/Polmont/HMP-YOI-Polmont.aspx

well, I suppose it does follow SPS’s previous logic… if a man who says he’s a woman can transferred to a female prison… then why can’t a man* who says he’s a minor can be transferred to a young offenders facility?

Both are making a claim that defies material reality… humans cannot get younger and humans cannot change sex.

But if you can change one box on a birth certificate, why not two boxes? Why not all the boxes?

metro.co.uk/2022/04/10/scotland-strangler-now-identifies-as-a-baby-who-wears-nappies-in-jail-16439336/

aweegc · 28/01/2023 01:52

*Saughton

EpicChaos · 28/01/2023 01:54

Aaaaaand you can bet your bottom dollar, your last penny and indeed the shirt off your back, that there will still be terfs shooting the messenger!
Obviously, we expect the tra's to do so but other terfs will have a fit of the vapours because they just think ' right wing ' paper and will refuse to link to, or to push the article further into the public domain.
With friends like that, eh?!

slamfightbrightlight · 28/01/2023 02:02

Thingybob · 28/01/2023 01:25

Why is 36 year old Daniel Eastwood (who identifies as a baby) in a young offenders institution?

The SPS site says Polmont is for young people between 16 and 21

www.sps.gov.uk/Corporate/Prisons/Polmont/HMP-YOI-Polmont.aspx

I came to ask the same thing. Surely this is a considerable safeguarding risk to those under 18 in the same prison? Really fucking weird.

Boiledbeetle · 28/01/2023 02:17

Thingybob · 28/01/2023 01:25

Why is 36 year old Daniel Eastwood (who identifies as a baby) in a young offenders institution?

The SPS site says Polmont is for young people between 16 and 21

www.sps.gov.uk/Corporate/Prisons/Polmont/HMP-YOI-Polmont.aspx

Transbaby therefore transage. Just wait until he discoverers transabled is a thing and he can pretend he only has one foot and they can push him round in a pram.

Boiledbeetle · 28/01/2023 02:20

EpicChaos · 28/01/2023 01:54

Aaaaaand you can bet your bottom dollar, your last penny and indeed the shirt off your back, that there will still be terfs shooting the messenger!
Obviously, we expect the tra's to do so but other terfs will have a fit of the vapours because they just think ' right wing ' paper and will refuse to link to, or to push the article further into the public domain.
With friends like that, eh?!

I'm just bloody happy it's out there. Don't care which paper shouts it or which woman shouts it or which political party shouts it.

Just as long as it's out there!

ShyDinosaur · 28/01/2023 03:03

Boiledbeetle · 28/01/2023 02:20

I'm just bloody happy it's out there. Don't care which paper shouts it or which woman shouts it or which political party shouts it.

Just as long as it's out there!

Agreed. At this point, I will happily take a paper I don’t particularly like highlighting the issue.

Am fully aware that TRAs will weaponise the far right narrative - because they are so predictable in doing so.

It is so frustrating. The No debate narrative did so much damage. Why have communities not engaged proper,y? Everyone should have their safe space, just don’t try to erase one set. Don’t ask/demand that people budge up. Engage properly and you’ll find that you may have an huge well of support to navigate a way forward.

Until that happens, I will happily read and embrace any article that covers the situations that should have been filed under “will never happen”. I do t care what online paper it’s in.

ComeTheSpringLobelia · 28/01/2023 06:56

I am loving this. Just loving it.

MoltenLasagne · 28/01/2023 07:03

Glad to see the coverage but those IPSO guidelines need to be the next thing to be highlighted.

I can imagine a very meta Daily Mail article, with a Daily Mail journalist and their editor doing a DM sad face under the headline "We were forced to describe a double rapist as "she" or face a £1m fine". Subhead - "The shocking situation as journalists are banned from reporting on reality to our readers by the same pressure groups who got double rapist transferred to women's jail"

Mercedes519 · 28/01/2023 07:06

Just read the article from Janice Turner who mentions Maria Millar as the head of the committee who ignored all the evidence to women’s safety.

Good job I already loathe the women for the damage she did to disabled people a few years back talking about ‘free cars’ and implying they are all lazy when she was in that role. Oh, and she fiddled her expenses. Is it any wonder we’re in this level of murky shit with people like her around…

NancyDrawed · 28/01/2023 07:29

noraclavicle · 27/01/2023 23:09

So why does the DM use female pronouns throughout if this is ‘accountability’?

Because of IPSO guidance

www.ipso.co.uk/media/1275/guidance_transgender-reporting.pdf

The list of resources on Page 10 is interesting.

KJK did a video on it yesterday:

NancyDrawed · 28/01/2023 07:36

I came straight to comment and now see that ClogLady had already linked the IPSO guidelines.

I think the DM are pushing back against the guidelines as hard as they can with this:

It was, just to be clear, predatory Adam Graham who attacked two women in 2016 and 2019. But by the time the rapist appeared in the dock at the High Court in Glasgow this week she had morphed, like a contestant on the classic TV show Stars In Their Eyes, into Isla Bryson.

DworkinWasRight · 28/01/2023 07:47

A number of women’s groups have complained to IPSO over the past few years, but apart from publishing the results of a consultation they have done nothing. I have heard a rumour that they are planning new guidelines.

puffyisgood · 28/01/2023 08:12

Seems like a nice lady.

Ryder68 · 28/01/2023 08:18

Thingybob · 28/01/2023 01:25

Why is 36 year old Daniel Eastwood (who identifies as a baby) in a young offenders institution?

The SPS site says Polmont is for young people between 16 and 21

www.sps.gov.uk/Corporate/Prisons/Polmont/HMP-YOI-Polmont.aspx

Odd and worrying.

Boomboom22 · 28/01/2023 08:54

If sno is going foe transgenic now god help us. This is where it leads. Access to children because they want to be a child too.

Boomboom22 · 28/01/2023 08:55

Transage

Allytheapple · 28/01/2023 08:58

I’m hoping that Nicola Sturgeon ends up gone after this emerges in Technicolor. She has been the champion for this BS for a number of years throwing women right under the bus.

BiologicalKitty · 28/01/2023 09:02

Pictures tell a thousand words. Particularly pictures of a person in tight leggings, wearing a short waisted coat, zoomed out to a full body view.

SirSamVimesCityWatch · 28/01/2023 09:03

MoltenLasagne · 28/01/2023 07:03

Glad to see the coverage but those IPSO guidelines need to be the next thing to be highlighted.

I can imagine a very meta Daily Mail article, with a Daily Mail journalist and their editor doing a DM sad face under the headline "We were forced to describe a double rapist as "she" or face a £1m fine". Subhead - "The shocking situation as journalists are banned from reporting on reality to our readers by the same pressure groups who got double rapist transferred to women's jail"

You should send this idea into the DM.

RudsyFarmer · 28/01/2023 09:08

I’m fascinated to know why so many countries just accepted this and swept legislation in. Our government is at least holding off. Almost a watch and wait approach (probably the only useful thing they’ve done in 12 years).

ferretface · 28/01/2023 09:09

Re Daniel at Polmont, it looks like he was first jailed for life in 2004 when he would have been the appropriate age for the facility. Not sure why he has not been transferred out however.

ThePoshUns · 28/01/2023 09:10

Say what you like about the Mail but they have been the only national paper to have been consistent in their opposition to GRA

ComeTheSpringLobelia · 28/01/2023 09:11

ThePoshUns · 28/01/2023 09:10

Say what you like about the Mail but they have been the only national paper to have been consistent in their opposition to GRA

This a million times.

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