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Daily Mail article about "controversial transgender prisoner, 6ft 5in Katie Dolatowski"

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unclebuck · 27/01/2023 22:15

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11684997/Read-killer-born-man-woman-identifies-BABY.html

It's a no holds barred account. This doesn't seem possible even 6 months ago.

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LexMitior · 28/01/2023 12:18

It will be interesting to see if any of this makes a difference to the intent to actually vote SNP. As far as I can see, it's made no difference. Nicola Sturgeon may get a bit uncomfortable but that looks to be about it. That's the problem.

Boiledbeetle · 28/01/2023 12:22

HE! In the mail!

And downn the wall goes.

TheClogLady · 28/01/2023 12:36

So that’s two obvious and deliberate IPSO breaches in one day, both by female columnists, Janice Turner in the Times, Amanda Platell in the Mail.

Plus I just found this Julie Bindell one from a couple of days ago (but it might be an online only article, and they aren’t IPSO compulsory compliant?)

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11677219/Trans-rapist-female-prison-proves-legal-sacrificed-vulnerable-women-Julie-Bindel-says.html

Who is next? Suzanne Moore at the Telegraph? Hadley Freeman at Sunday Times? Sarah Vine at Daily Mail? I bet they’ve all protested this Orwellian madness to their bosses many times?

And Julie Birchall has surely been waiting for this day for years already (but I don’t think she’s a columnist at present? Freelance contributors might find it harder to get the back up? Presume there are insurance differences when it comes to legal fees?)

Here’s the list of those signed up to the compulsory scheme:

The following publications have agreed to participate in the compulsory IPSO arbitration scheme. This means they must accept any genuine arbitration claim.

Reach Plc

Daily Mirror
Sunday Mirror
Sunday People
Daily Express
Sunday Express
Daily Star
New!
OK!
Star Magazine

Telegraph Media Group

The Daily Telegraph
The Sunday Telegraph
The Weekly Telegraph

News UK

The Sun
The Times
The Sunday Times
The Times Literary Supplement

Associated Newspapers

Daily Mail
The Mail on Sunday
Metro

(Please note that Mail Online and Metro.co.uk are not participating in the scheme)

Should I start a new thread for this discussion?

MrsOvertonsWindow · 28/01/2023 12:38

A thread would be good Cloglady. The history of how trans activist groups were allowed to muzzle the press is alarming.

TheClogLady · 28/01/2023 12:40

Hadley has retweeted Janice’s Times piece - I’m now wondering if there has been some coordination in a whatsapp group for terfy female journos.

Daily Mail article about "controversial transgender prisoner, 6ft 5in Katie Dolatowski"
ArcaneWireless · 28/01/2023 12:40

I wonder where all the women identifying as babies are? Or are they all too busy being grown ups?

Creepy as. They should not be indulging any of this nonsense. Puréed food and nappies? Hand holding?

Babies don’t speak. They don’t write. How is he managing to express his wishes? Through the medium of gurgling?

Perhaps the likes of Nicola and her cronies should be personally responsible for their care.

Swashbuckled · 28/01/2023 12:47

@Chersfrozenface

But if he “really does” think he’s a baby then, under mental health, he would be classed as delusional and treated accordingly. The treatment wouldn’t include colluding with his delusions; quite the opposite.

Delusional patients who think they are Jesus aren’t crucified by their medical teams.

Chersfrozenface · 28/01/2023 12:57

Swashbuckled · 28/01/2023 12:47

@Chersfrozenface

But if he “really does” think he’s a baby then, under mental health, he would be classed as delusional and treated accordingly. The treatment wouldn’t include colluding with his delusions; quite the opposite.

Delusional patients who think they are Jesus aren’t crucified by their medical teams.

Well, no, quite.

Shall we try "mental / emotional wellbeing"? He is given a dummy for the sake of his mental / emotional wellbeing?

I'm clutching at straws TBH. I've no idea what justification SPS claims to have here

I know what the real reason is though - the influence of Queer Theory advocates on policy.

WarriorN · 28/01/2023 13:21

I said on another thread; Jane Garvey and Fi Glover both used He etc when this story broke on their Times Radio show earlier in the week.

This is so welcome!

You betcha the pro women are all in a WhatsApp! (Guess and jest but wouldn't be surprised!)

WarriorN · 28/01/2023 13:28

Garvey briefly reiterates a sentence after using a he with this person but Fi used He at the start.

They're still dancing about a little, presumably because of both guidance and also the awful framing the interviewee, Paulette Hamilton, Labour MP for Birmingham Erdington, makes of their question. Fi give a great retort but then holds her head in her hands.

twitter.com/timesradio/status/1618280972885057537?s=46&t=QeVkFxiYgiUwR2Paw7zipQ

WarriorN · 28/01/2023 13:29

Sorry, "this person."

Boiledeggandtoast · 28/01/2023 13:32

Swashbuckled · 28/01/2023 12:47

@Chersfrozenface

But if he “really does” think he’s a baby then, under mental health, he would be classed as delusional and treated accordingly. The treatment wouldn’t include colluding with his delusions; quite the opposite.

Delusional patients who think they are Jesus aren’t crucified by their medical teams.

Great point, nicely put!

Boiledbeetle · 28/01/2023 13:38

from another thread

Spero · Yesterday 07:57

Wish me luck! I have decided that it's important to use sex based pronouns when discussing why sex is important. Hopefully there will be further discussions on Saturday.

twitter.com/svphillimore/status/1618874108149895169?s=46&t=eoVwqgjLs_ZVjhWNTQnOOA

Boiledbeetle · 28/01/2023 13:39

Sarah said after going up against Robin she wasnt playing anymore

unclebuck · 28/01/2023 16:25

This is exhilarating 😂

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EpicChaos · 28/01/2023 17:13

Boiledbeetle · 28/01/2023 02:20

I'm just bloody happy it's out there. Don't care which paper shouts it or which woman shouts it or which political party shouts it.

Just as long as it's out there!

I absolutely agree!
Especially when those that some of us would have expected to be in the same place - natural allies, haven't even had the common decency to be worse than useless but trying, rather, that they have deliberately acted in a way diametrically opposed to the needs of women and children.
They have put women and children at serious risk of harm, either by allowing men into spaces where they shouldn't be, or in encouraging people to consent to mutilating their bodies. In both cases, leaving permanent scars either in the literal sense, or in terms of mental trauma, or maybe both.
For that i will not forgive any of them! Ever!

SinnerBoy · 28/01/2023 17:21

*Thingybob · Today 01:25

Why is 36 year old Daniel Eastwood (who identifies as a baby) in a young offenders institution?

The SPS site says Polmont is for young people between 16 and 21

I mean, who else gets to choose where they serve time? That's right, nobody. Well, just transw.

FuckingHateRats · 28/01/2023 17:35

LexMitior · 28/01/2023 12:18

It will be interesting to see if any of this makes a difference to the intent to actually vote SNP. As far as I can see, it's made no difference. Nicola Sturgeon may get a bit uncomfortable but that looks to be about it. That's the problem.

I used to vote SNP. I will never vote SNP again. I can't be the only one who switches.

slithytoveisascientist · 29/01/2023 20:59

The age point is a good one

If a man can say he is a women and legally be classed as one

Why can't a 45 year old say they are 13 and legally be classed as a child. Therefore able to have sex with other children.

Or a 13 year old identify as a 21 year old and so legally drink.

Why can't that Rachel Dolzeal be black? Surely transrace is ok?

slithytoveisascientist · 29/01/2023 20:59

^ obv not my views btw

XanaduKira · 29/01/2023 23:08

slithytoveisascientist · 29/01/2023 20:59

The age point is a good one

If a man can say he is a women and legally be classed as one

Why can't a 45 year old say they are 13 and legally be classed as a child. Therefore able to have sex with other children.

Or a 13 year old identify as a 21 year old and so legally drink.

Why can't that Rachel Dolzeal be black? Surely transrace is ok?

Completely agree & I've said this all along.

Perhaps I need to identify as a 68 year old and start claiming my pension!

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