'Breaking' - Transgender rapist won’t be imprisoned in Scotland’s all-women jail, Nicola Sturgeon tells MSPs

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Excellent news.

And Sturgeon has really shot herself in the foot here (again). Because if she really thinks 'trans women are women', why is she not allowing this 'woman' to go to a female prison?

So therefore she knows this person is not a woman.

So therefore she is being transphobic...

The default was womens jail
The outrage made that untenable
But it should never have been a question

Which photo? This photo? Or this photo?😶

'risk assessment' and 'rapist' shouldn't written on the same page when it comes to women's prison's.

Under which particular circumstances do they think a male who is serving a sentence for sexually harming a woman is appropriate to share facilities with vulnerable women?

Answers on a postcard.

Would be dead interesting to know the answer to this one, given that female prisons don't actually have the facilities to accommodate large numbers of Category A prisoners... Cos women offend much less and when they do offend they aren't any where near as likely to be violent to the point of needing to be housed in high security facilities...

Women's prison's literally aren't built to house rapists. Funny that.

I wouldn’t trust their “risk assessment” as far as I could throw it.

Said risk assessment has deemed Katie Dolatowski fit to be housed in the female estate. That’s Katie, a 22 year old 6ft5” convicted paedophile who was moved into a female prison AFTER “violently assaulting” a male inmate.

The risk assessment is basically "is the media chasing this up? Y = men's prison, N = women's prison.

I 100% agree the basic problem for me is that the default was women’s jail

So basically safeguarding comes second to gender.

I also do not how they justify all the huge extra costs if trans women are put in a women’s prison but ‘separated’ - there is huge costs to this in both physical premises and extra guards having to be specially put on. When the prison service is not able to house everyone as it is.

For all the posters saying well it’s OK if the trans woman can be separately accommodated, then for some reason it doesn’t matter.

@MargaritaPie "Trans-convicts (or those who claim they are trans)"
Such transphobia! They are who they say they are.

This sounds correct based on the podcast I was listening to. In this case, it was 2 different girls at Gordonstoun who were raped at different times by the same teacher. I assume their evidence of their separate assaults by the same man would have corroborated each other, even though they hadn't been present for the other crime. The case collapsed for both prosecutions, because one of the (now adult) victims was too ill to give evidence, so her case couldn't corroborate the other.

However, how on earth the corroboration principle works for DV or rape where there is nobody else to bear witness, if you are the first or only victim, is disturbing to me. I've only just learned about it, so I don't know how corroboration works in practice, but it sounds like an incredibly difficult bar set for the prosecution. My nieces live in Scotland, I would hate for them to be on the wrong side of this rule should anything happen to them (god forbid).

Pretty well looks like that to me.

@RedToothBrush "answers on a postcard"
I could fit them on a stamp and still have room for the address.

Whoops!

I find it hard to recognise irony sometimes her days, because the situation is so far beyond parody that it makes my brain hurt.

Apologies.

(And I do wish people didn't use the term "cis" - I know you were quoting - it's a vile slur and suggests that women are a subset of their own sex class).

I meant the delightful leggings shot.

Actually, I think this bloke is entitled to feel a bit aggrieved by the sudden change in rules just for his fine ass. The rule was that once you said you were a lady, you were, no backsises. He's not worse than some of the other fragrant doll faces gracing the ladies shower cubicles in other prisons.

Corroboration makes it extremely difficult to prosecute rape or DV, my solicitor basically said the only way there was any chance of getting a prosecution was if there was more than one complainant.

It looks as though trans convict is a thing. Next we will hear about all those cis convicts.
How language evolves.

It's OK. I know that there's so much absolute absurdity being stated as fact that it's not always possible to tell what the person's purpose is.

Still waiting for someone to explain to me why women's prisons exist at all. To safeguard women from men, or to reassure people that we all think they're women?

To add another slant, where should men who rape men be imprisoned?

Is that supposed to be a serious question @Raera ? I'm guessing not since no-one could possibly be so lacking in intelligence to think it let alone ask it.

Or is it your attempt a winning 'gotcha'? If so you can mark it down as a colossal fail.

Still waiting for someone to explain to me why women's prisons exist at all I’m not your mum. Think about it! And if that doesn’t work, look up the history of women’s prisons…

'To add another slant, where should men who rape men be imprisoned?

Is that supposed to be a serious question @Raera ? I'm guessing not since no-one could possibly be so lacking in intelligence to think it let alone ask'

I heard some other genius posing this question on the radio earlier. They seemed serious, and actually quite proud of themselves 🤦🏻‍♂️

Are they segregated to keep women prisoners safe from men, or are they segregated to reassure women that people think they're women?

Do they ever put other women in men's prisons? What about, say, a woman who has xx chromosomes and associated secondary sexual characteristics? (Sorry, not sure how people who think TWAW describe actual women). If not them she is treating TW differently which, if you think TWAW as she purports to, is clearly transphobic. It certainly is as transphobic as JK rowling.

So MargaritaPie are you finally willing to explain to the rest of us how you tell the difference between people who are trans and people who are not trans but say they are trans?

@MargaritaPie how is she not trans phobic? She's saying a trans woman isn't a real woman?

@ReneBumsWombats it's a pickle isn't it. Commonsense would say it's the first but recent events seem to demonstrate it's the later.

Maggie Personpeep should commit a crime. She might finally find out what sex she is.