'Breaking' - Transgender rapist won’t be imprisoned in Scotland’s all-women jail, Nicola Sturgeon tells MSPs

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Excellent news.

And Sturgeon has really shot herself in the foot here (again). Because if she really thinks 'trans women are women', why is she not allowing this 'woman' to go to a female prison?

So therefore she knows this person is not a woman.

So therefore she is being transphobic...

To add another slant, where should men who rape men be imprisoned?

A poor attempt at deflection. The number of male on male rapes are a tiny fraction of male on female and the consequences for female victims vastly greater. For a start, they can become pregnant.

The answer is, of course, in a male prison.

Imagine being the person who comes to a discussion about women's rights and says "Won't someone think of the poor men?" Oh! You just did!

If there is anger and bile, it's a result of being told for several years "people are who they say they are, bigot" and "no man would ever go to all the trouble of transisitioning to enter women's spaces to abuse them, terf" and trans women are women, no debate" and "that never happens" etc. by the very people who are furiously backpedaling now.

It's the lead article on the BBC website now. Good strong sunlight for everyone who thinks this is a fringe or culture war thing.

Wee Nic's quote though: The first minister also stressed it was careful that people "do not, even inadvertently, suggest that trans women pose an inherent threat to women", adding: "Predatory men, as has always been the case, are the risk to women."

Is she hard of thinking? Of course trans women don't inherently pose a threat any more than males, but the point is, we segregate females from the lot of them as we can't tell the good ones from the bad ones. Good men (and trans people?) don't mind this.

It’s pretty simple
Men go in men’s prisons, women go in women’s prisons
And feel free to report and Transphobia

This is the problem though.

If you say ‘this transwomen is a nasty rapist’. You get ‘are you saying all transwomen are nasty rapists?’

Actually according to the census statistics TW are more likely to be sex offenders I believe. Or maybe it’s that sex offenders are more likely to claim to be TW?

Douglas Ross is the leader of the Scottish Conservatives.

We're rather shocked by the last decade or so of misogyny and hated of women.

But you can't please everyone all of the time now can you.

Trans women ARE women!
A trans woman can self ID! Who are we to judge them?!

Except when we want to ...

If trans women ARE women there should be no debate or question.. 'she' should be in a woman's prison.

So are they or aren't they?

Logic ... why don't they teach logic at these schools????

I'm shocked by the lack of effort that goes into plopping these days.

I'm not in the least surprised she backed down. I watched the first minister questions this afternoon where she stood up and told Douglas Ross (Conservative) that she couldn't step in as it was up to the prison service to make these decisions. Douglas Ross correctly said that HE WAS A BEAST. By the time our TV slot was being wrapped up it was announced that she had in fact stepped in and he would be moved.

This coming from a woman (NS) who has at least two super injuctions against the press.....she's a sly 🐍.

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Good. I'm glad the rapist won't be housed with women.

Yes exactly. Trans people are elevated above the normal safeguarding measures. Which is very dangerous. You can't make special rules for any one group of people.

We don't know that yet - we only know they won't be housed in Cornton Vale.

As the former governer of Cornton Vale pointed out there are units for women attached to some men's prisons. Its weasel words from Sturgeon.

She has the power to make a categorical statement that male bodied rapists/violent offenders will not be housed in any women's estate and she has chosen to evade the issue.

Actually I’m Scotland men can’t rape men legally anyway

There’s also the additional problem that SPS’s trans policy is actually more than what the law requires (JC has posted on Twitter about this today). They seemingly approach things on the basis that self-I’d is already in force and that everyone identifying as trans should be treated as their chosen gender. The policy was seemingly drafted by Scottish Trans Alliance and they have stated they did this to effectively pave the way for changing other public institutions ie first the prisons, then the rest.

If this TiM doesn’t fall under the TWAW umbrella then the SG need to be issuing guidance about when TWAW aren’t in fact women and how we can all be sure we’re treating people correctly.

Yeah she can’t intervene until it’s clear how unpopular it is then she can

Karen White must have had a very dainty, feminine penis, then.

Consistent logic or no, hard of thinking or no, I am delighted that when it finally came down, common sense won and political correctness lost.

It should never have needed a debate, but Sturgeon has at least for whatever reason called this one correctly. Let’s hope, cautiously, that it paves the way for some sort of return to common sense for the future.

@Lolapusht copy your post jic I had one deleted yesterday, I think, for using the Brook Taylor 3 letter acronym.

I actually think the best part was her clarification that " there is no automatic right for a transwoman convicted of a crime to serve their sentence in a female prison even if they have a gender recognition certificate"