'Breaking' - Transgender rapist won’t be imprisoned in Scotland’s all-women jail, Nicola Sturgeon tells MSPs

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Excellent news.

And Sturgeon has really shot herself in the foot here (again). Because if she really thinks 'trans women are women', why is she not allowing this 'woman' to go to a female prison?

So therefore she knows this person is not a woman.

So therefore she is being transphobic...

I disagree that it isn't "our" problem to solve. Imo society's view that prisoners constitute a lower form of life and one that no decent person need care about is very much one of the reasons why we have got to this point.

There was a wonderful comment on Twitter along the lines of

Following a full risk assessment of the impact on Nicola Sturgeon’s career it determined that the prisoner should be moved.

I don’t actually buy that we can’t know which prison he’ll be put in either.

We know that Katie Dolatowski is in cornton Vale, not one of the other units.
We knew that Peter Tobin was in Edinburgh. We know Nicholas Rossi is in Edinburgh. We even knew that Tommy Sheridan and Duncan Ferguson served their sentences in Barlinnie.

There’s no reason not to say where he’ll be housed, other than to hide that it’s a female unit.

Now Anneliese Dodds is taking liberties
twitter.com/AnnelieseDodds/status/1618589511679873024?t=15it68WKfYKjCj1JtdMrtA&s=19

Bloody hell, about time SNP stood up for women and stopped sticking trans women in women only jails! Doubt it’ll last though, they bent over backwards for everyone bar women.

Who'd have thought that a rapist would end up doing more for women than nicola sturgeon has.

And another thing - she knows that the risk assessment used assesses the risk to the prisoner, not from him.

I was listening to a podcast last night about historic child abuse in Scottish public schools (Fettes, Gordonstoun etc), and they mentioned something I didn't know - that there are so few DV and rape convictions in Scotland, because the prosecution service will not prosecute unless there are at least 2 witnesses. All the more remarkable that these brave women were able to give evidence and get this utter POS convicted.

Ha!

The whole idea of sending men to women's prisons needs dealing with. NS has u-turned due to the uproar, but others will slip in unnoticed I fear.

NS is a disgrace.

The Sky news article about this quotes the prime minister's official spokesman as saying yesterday:

"The UK has a policy which sees the prison service in England and Wales manage transgender prisoners on a case-by-case basis and transgender women must go through a robust risk assessment which factor in their offending history and anatomy before they can be moved to a women's prison."

Does anyone know any more detail about exactly how anatomy features in the policy?

During the court proceedings, Bryson claimed she knew she was transgender at the age of four but did not decide to transition until she was 29, and is currently taking hormones and seeking surgery to complete gender reassignment.

So our health system is paying for the sham of a convicted prisoner to make a mockery of our justice system.

So fucked up.

Badly done, Nicola, badly done.

I am shocked by the bile and transphobia on this forum. I am a feminist and support both trans rights and women's rights. I assume that others- including Nicola Sturgeon - also feel this way, unless they reveal clear evidence of taking one side only. Where there is a conflict- as there is, I think, in this case because of the history of sexual abuse- what is wrong with deciding on the best/least worst option case by case? This is not a simple situation.

Why is it not a simple situation to sex segregate prisons?

Do they exist to protect women or do they exist to reassure them that we think they're women?

Report any bile or transphobia!

As is always said @Aardvvark report what you feel to be is transphobia.
Which are the posts that have been allowed to remain as I always seem to miss them?

Lisa Nandy seems to be keeping very quiet on this issue. I wonder if she's realising male sex offenders in female prisons isn't quite the vote-winner she thought it was, even in our patriarchal society.

I dont think its transphobic to point out that Isla Bryson has not transitioned, still has male genitals , raped 2 women and decided to transition/self identified as a woman during the criminal proceedings - that's all fact

PriamFarrl · Today 15:31

And although it’s hard for to sympathise with this person, it is inhumane to suggest that someone should be kept in what would amount to solitary confinement for their entire prison term.

If he does, it'd mainly be his own choice; after all, he could request a transfer to an appropriate male sex offender unit. There are plenty of them, where the nonces are safe from ordinary prisoners.

what is wrong with deciding on the best/least worst option case by case?

If that's the approach, then as a fellow man, I also demand the right to be assessed case by case on whether I can go into a women's prison.

Why should men deluded enough to claim they're women be seen as more suitable to go into a women's prison than a man who knows he isn't? That doesn't seem terribly logical.

Stop discriminating against men who know they're men.

what is wrong with deciding on the best/least worst option case by case? This is not a simple situation

It is a very simple and straightforward situation. The best/least worst options are the same: males belong in men's prisons no matter what their beliefs are or what danger other male prisoners may pose to them.

If you believe this statement to be transphobic then report my post to MNHQ.

She's got a short memory:

hansard.parliament.uk/HoC%20Debate/2022-03-10/debates/1C377E5F-9903-48CD-A036-1F1728D726B2/web/

I agree that in situations like this it should be taken case by case.

If, just to make something up, there was a trans woman who had been living as a woman for the last 30 years, had had surgery, and was going to prison for tax evasion; then I think it would be questionable to send them to a male prison.

The problem with this situation is that this person appears to have transitioned to suit their own circumstances.
Also GC woman have been told countless time that no man would ever think of changing gender for some kind of gain.
Not to mention that the line repeatedly used is that Transwomen are Women, and that we are not to argue with that. Now it seems that TWAW except in certain cases.

Well it should be a simple situation. If you keep prisons sex based rather than gender based, the issue doesn't arise.

Perfectly simple.