'...the public are struggling to understand how a rapist can be put into a female prison'

[ArabellaScott]

Sue Webber, MSP, on BBC Debate night.

Discussion of GRR from 18 minutes in.

www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001hl5b/debate-night-series-4-25012023

the public are struggling to understand how a rapist can be put into a female prison

Yeh count me in

No shit, Sherlock

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Well I am surprised!!

Great meme! 🤣🤣

Because the politicians and TRAs acted secretly aided and abetted by the news.
A radical and dangerous plan to women and innocent children finally being exposed

Up until now most of the public hasn't thought about genderism and its consequences in any detail, if at all.

Let's hope a good proportion do start thinking, in the light of this debacle.

I've posted this link in a couple of threads today but I think it's a useful distillation of the situation to date so I'm posting it again. The segment of the interview with the woman from the Scottish Prison Service will be particularly jaw-dropping eye-opening for a lot of the general public.

news.stv.tv/scotland/ex-prison-governor-says-trans-rapist-isla-bryson-should-not-be-in-prison-at-all-female-cornton-vale

Horrible. S/he was obviously mocking us all by going to court in leggings so tight the genitalia were very much on display.

It's a tremendous piece of bad luck for Sturgeon that this rapist has been put in a women's prison so soon after the GRR bill passed, because it illustrates the problem so clearly. This man showed absolutely no signs of struggling with gender identity until he was charged with rape.

A lot of us have felt hacked off over the years that stories about rapists in women's prisons haven't peaked the public, and that people appear to be more angry about sport than about women prisoners. The Lia Thomas story peaked more people than Karen White.

And yet...here we are. The timing of this story, compared with the sheer outrageousness of it, is bringing the general public to the top of Mount Trans at a faster rate than anything else I've seen in the past five years.

At times like these I think a fresh airing of Stonewall’s ‘Acceptance without Exception’ tweets and pronouncements from a couple of years ago could do with an airing. The public need to see how close we were to tumbling into the abyss and understand the Herculean effort it has taken by women’s groups, LGB Alliance and cautious groups of healthcare and other professionals, often at great personal cost, to hold the line.

Great meme!

It was my instinctual response, but it is a perfect fit, isn't it?

He's just spent hours trying to raise the alarm to no avail, while trying to solve things himself, and has finally managed to get the authorities attention by something sufficiently explosive happening...

Not just the public. One of the (many) striking things about Birmingham MP Paulette Hamilton's radio interview was her reference to "this gentleman", use of male pronouns and mention of a process of transition that lay in the future. A process that wasn't already covered by his self-id and leggings - he remains a 'gentleman' until....surgery completed the 'process'. I think that was genuinely her understanding. Insofar as she understood anything while regurgitating her briefing. (She will perhaps be debriefed that "gentleman" was transphobic and will know better next time).

The Birmingham Live report on their local MP's concern for this rapist says he has "started the process of gender reassignment". The site censors removed my comment pointing out that a man's word is good enough as 'process' (and indeed their report uses feminine pronouns for the rapist). Remarks that male inmates should 'do the operation for him with a shank' are ok, but pointing out the nature of self-id is verboten. Both the 'shank' advocate and the site censors clearly think that 'transition' involves radical surgery.

So true.

Weirdly, this is a brilliant thing to have happened right at this moment. The general public are vaguely more aware of the issues around gender identity because of Nicola Sturgeon's ridiculous policies.

And now we have a rapist in female jail with their barrister insisting that they're in no way a predatory male because they're actually a vulnerable women. Also a rapist but pfft, let's ignore that bit.

This will be a very difficult sell to the majority of the public. Even the "BeKind brigade. And it highlights exactly what we've all been banging on about. This bloody awful case is finally shining a big, bright light on the mess that's been created.

There's not many people who will think that this person belongs in a women's prison. And even fewer will believe that this person is just a vulnerable woman like any other. Not when they've raped women.

More light on this subject, the better. It's just shit that it has to get to this point to get people to see what's going on.

The public need to see how close we were to tumbling into the abyss and understand the Herculean effort it has taken by women’s groups, LGB Alliance and cautious groups of healthcare and other professionals, often at great personal cost, to hold the line.

Yeah, but I imagine inevitably will end up like the Y2K bug, or the hole in the ozone layer. Everything will end up fine and people will wonder "why were they making all that fuss about something that turned out not to be a problem?" Sigh.

I saw this on Twitter yesterday.....

Yvette Cooper has called out the placing of a rapist in a women's prison.

And so she should. But still..

And this.....

56% discovered "womanhood" after arrest. Definitely legit. Definitely.

The public might be surprised to learn that using one's penis as a weapon to rape doesn't disqualify a man from being "treated as a woman"*.

The criteria for being considered a woman - that is, the class of human that gives birth to every single human on the planet and has been physically and structurally oppressed throughout time because of it - can be as little as a smear of lippy and some leggings. Or maybe just some words.

*Not really treated as a woman. Not lower pay, unpaid care duties, sexual violence, medical negligence and physical intimidation. In fact it is more like being treated as a very very special man. A royal or religious leader or celebrity. You can do no wrong and reality will bend to your whim.

This was also featured on Radio 4 this morning around 8.50am. One of the presenters introduced the story by saying “….transfer him or her to a female prison, you decide.” Something along those lines.

Straddling the fence between the bullshit and the facts. More 🌞Now it’s time for the BBC to get off the fence and use the FACTS.

The truth is that when the majority say they are for trans rights they mean clothing, name, marriage rights, employment Etc. Not prisons and the open plan swimming pool changing room.

Such a good program! I was genuinely cheering in the kitchen at points last night!

I was looking at the photos of this wanker yesterday too. I noticed that the pre transition images showed a man many men would also be scared of, compared to the general types you see in these images (e.g. 'karen' white, 'katie' dolatowski et al. who pose a physical risk to many women, but not so much to many men). I wonder if that helped a wee bit this time? No one can look at that rapist and not see a physical threat; not even a man who might generally see a pathetic wasteman rather than a threat in the dangers to women housed in their estate. Makes the threat in your face obvious, even to those predisposed to thinking women are always wanging on, fussing about nought.

Extraordinary. I wonder why, at this stage of life, they suddenly realised they’d “been born in the wrong body”? 🧐