India Willoughby: I am more of a woman than JK Rowling will ever be

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India has stated this on Twitter.

Doesn't it tell us a lot about how genderism rests on social stereotypes? How is India 'more of a woman' than someone born female?

twitter.com/IndiaWilloughby/status/1617183552101048321?t=qgFTj7AwwiPi9tSKSyRsYQ&s=19

Nope no sympathy for India. They (Because I don’t want to be deleted again) are a cruel and vindictive person who are encouraging others to believe their utter nonsense. And the morons are falling for it

I think India is an excellent example of how cruel and wrong it is to tell people they can change sex because once you exit the Twitter bubble of gender looms and be kind handmaidens, out there in the real world everyone knows you are a man and no amount of screaming and shouting will ever, ever change that. TWAW sets people up for such terrible disappointment and is actually not kind at all.

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If any self id law is successfully introduced, will it permit self id to ones real sex? If not, is that discriminatory?

If it does permit it, should we all self id as our real sex? Would that be just a gesture, or would it have any real life consequences, such as clogging up the system, or messing up some statistic in a way that would point out the ridiculousness of a legal sex which may or may not be different from real sex?

No, but some petty 'monitor' can get you deleted on MN for 'misgendering' (probably while fuming that they can't get many other truthful posts deleted).

How can this be celebrated as a 50-50?
How does that compute?

As you and others point out: This is what happens and what will happen and Equality of the sexes has become a joke.

I've managed to track down my deleted post.

I did indeed use the words Arsehole and man.

Oh dear what a pity never mind.

And on topic:
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a man cannot be more of a woman than a woman can.

you are either one (a woman) or you are a man.

There are no other qualifiers: you are a woman or you are not, in which case you are a man.

I’m sure there used to be a Word for these system in sexually reproducing species (mammals).

Oh, there is: dimorphic.

Yes I agree but I'm not "misgendering" as the term plays no part in my life.

That doesn't make sense - "I don't believe in this term therefore it doesn't exist and so that can't be what I'm doing?
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I imagine it in a jar of formaldehyde, which is brought out frequently to demonstrate India's womanliness.Perhaps it's a teeny jar which lives in India's handbag. Because we all show each other our cervixes, don't we? While we are waiting for the glitter to dry. (I don't know where the glitter is, or what it's for, since I am clearly not a proper woman, but I'd bet there is glitter somewhere, and that it's pink).

I said it didn't play a part in my life !

That doesn't make sense - "I don't believe in this term therefore it doesn't exist and so that can't be what I'm doing?

And yet... if she'd said 'I'm simply correct sexing' ... pretty sure that would be deemed invalid.

Also from Life of Brian:

Stan: I want to be a woman. From now on I want you all to call me Loretta.
Reg: What!?
Stan: It's my right as a man.
Judith: Why do you want to be Loretta, Stan?
Stan: I want to have babies.
Reg: You want to have babies?!?!?!
Stan: It's every man's right to have babies if he wants them.
Reg: But you can't have babies.
Stan: Don't you oppress me.

—Dialogue from The Inalienable Rights scene, with Stan (Eric Idle), Reg (John Cleese) and Judith (Sue Jones-Davies)

It’s my right as a man 😂 😂 how unbelievably prescient!

And so it came to pass

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There is no such thing as misgendering. There is only correctly identifying a person’s sex, and subsequent upset that causes some people, often not even the person whose sex has been correctly identified.

It doesn’t matter how often the Monitors/India report posts that correctly refer to India’s sex here on Mumsnet, they can’t report what’s in my brain or how I refer to India in real life. You will never control that and I will never concede that. I will abide my MNHQ’s pandering rules for the sake of posting here, but I will not refer to India as “she” ever. I will never refer to any male as she/her ever, either in writing, or in real life.

As the saying goes on Twitter, cope and seethe.

Re 'misgendering' vs 'correct sexing', Spero's comments re her debate with RMW are interesting. Pronoun avoidance is sometimes the only option.

Sarah Phillimore and Robin Moira White interviewed by Andrew Doyle www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/sarah-phillimore-and-robin-moira-white-interviewed-by-andrew-doyle

‘So where’s the foetus gonna gestate? You gonna keep it in a box?’

Love that scene. So prescient too!

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You know just the thought of cervix and glitter in the same sentence made my pelvic muscles clench all of their own accord.

Shudders.

Surely, logically, pronouns must be sex-based? Apparently there are more than 100 genders (I’d probably say many times that, and call them personalities, but…you know). How can we manage different pronouns for each one? Why should only some genders get pronouns?
RedandBlue, you often tell women who don’t have a gender that their pronouns must be she/her, but how do you know that, unless you’re basing them on sex?

Well, the answer to that is neopronouns.
But as soon as someone deviates from standard English pronouns, the words they choose are no longer functioning as pronouns, they're essentially nicknames with added grammatical forms.

Pronouns exist solely to make communication easier and more fluid. If people have to think about them, they're useless.

I was going to say "correct sexing " but didn't think it would go down well .

It doesn’t matter how often the Monitors/India report posts that correctly refer to India’s sex here on Mumsnet, they can’t report what’s in my brain or how I refer to India in real life. You will never control that and I will never concede that. I will abide my MNHQ’s pandering rules for the sake of posting here, but I will not refer to India as “she” ever. I will never refer to any male as she/her ever, either in writing, or in real life.

As the saying goes on Twitter, cope and seethe.

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