Janice Turner in the Times

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"‘It might never happen, love’ is no basis for law" Janice to the point, as ever.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/2a58f174-9902-11ed-91ab-4070465550ba?shareToken=51cc190e62095381b1443a5d3141eb0e

Janice is fabulous as alwsys

apparently Campbell discussed it with Rory Stewart on the rest is politics this week & said it was basically all too difficult and nuanced. Good thing Labour never tried to tackle anything difficult and nuanced like peace in Northern Ireland when Campbell was advising the government - oh wait!!!

After AC said that GC women were like 'red-faced golf club bores', in The Rest is Politics, and RS vaguely bleated, I stopped listening to it.

I mean , when they discussed it a few months ago

I remember how in the New Labour years women in NI were told to shut up about wanting abortion rights there, because to give them the same rights as the women in the rest of the UK had had since the 1960s (it was asserted) would have threatened the Good Friday agreement. Plus ca change

Pot, kettle, black…has anyone seen AC’s documentary on AC’s depression? Self absorbed, insufferable bore. No idea how his wife - who features in the documentary - stands him. And the sex writing 🤦‍♀️😂 he did when younger…

Janice is amazing. she has been on this for years and she's so clear

fuck knows how anyone could read that and still think gender woo is in anyway a good idea

The journalists who have now started asking proper questions

I've not seen that yet. The same journalist who have always known what are going in are asking the same excellent questions they always have.

The (mainly male) journalists are still not asking the right questions or understanding the issue.

Weird that men like Alistair Campbell and Lloyd Russell Moyle have so much faith in their fellow men not to abuse loop holes or special status. I take it they've not bothered to follow the stories about police rapists?

And seeing how Russell Moyle used his physical presence to intimidate Miriam Cates in parliament, I would say he is precisely the kind of man I never want to share an enclosed space with.

Another fantastic article, clearly articulates the issues surrounding GRR.

Many thanks for sharing this. For once I am putting my money where my mouth as and going to buy today's Times

Christ @mnhq there was more in wamted to say but wtf is finnvruttuallt impossible to post anything. yoyeru and samdung innet? It's

Looks like AC and his mates are the red faced, golf club bores he was complaining about.

Thank you Janice 💐

Apologies for the incoherent rant there. @mnhq pls sort out the issue with Samsung Internet, it is immensely frustrating!

There is also this article in the Scotland section:
"Voters both sides of border oppose Scotland’s gender reform, poll shows"

It's really interesting that in the poll a majority of people support "making changes to the current process of obtaining a gender recognition certificate" but not the actual proposed changes to open it up to more people. Maybe they actually want the process tightened up, rather than made easier!

Awesome Janice!

It's a fantastically on point article.

Thank you for sharing this. Thank you Janice Turner.
Stunning piece of writing, beautifully encapsulates what needs to be known, read, understood and acted upon.

Though for me, the issue is not just 'men' in women's spaces. Eddie Izzard, for example, feels no safer than any other male in my intimate spaces. I don't want others deciding for me that Eddie unseeable personal interpretation of a gender identity entitles him to use spaces dedicated for women. I don't believe that sexist stereotypes should be perpetuated so I genuinely can't see any difference bewteen him and other males.

Though for me, the issue is not just 'men' in women's spaces. Eddie Izzard, for example ...

Is a man.

@Parmavi0lets the Chrome.browser (while an annoying browser in itself) may give you a workaround to the Samsung problem.

Thank you Janice.

As always, a brilliant articulate piece that calmly but clearly lays out the facts.

I'd go further, bicycles - I'd prefer to share a space with a man who knows he's a man than a male with the arrogance and entitlement to claim he's the same as me, and the expectation that I will submit and comply with the pretence.

I think so too but in Janice's article, I don't think he'd count as one. This is why clear definitions are vital.

@teawamutu

Exactly. I’d rather share with a man who knows he is, recognises his own discomfort and mine and aims for as little distress for both of us than a man who not only thinks he’s the same as me despite a clear ‘no’ but is enjoying it all so much.

@howmanybicycles
Thats because Eddie Izzard is a man. You correctly read him as such and your gut feeling, evolved over 1000s of years correctly tells you to be wary because he belongs to the group that harm women.
To be clear mods I am not saying Eddie is a predator or wishes women harm. But he is make. And we’re evolved to recognise them to protect ourselves.

I've no reason to suspect he's a predator either. He has shown himself to be someone who priorities his need for validation over women's need for safety though which does make him (he's happy for people to use this sex-based pronoun), albeit through an internalisation of misogyny rather than overt predation, a danger to women. Some people think he's a woman. I still don't want him in my spaces.

Fantastic article- thank you for sharing. It sets it all out to so clearly. I will be sharing widely as people need to understand the crux of the issues as set out here!