Janice Turner in the Times

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"‘It might never happen, love’ is no basis for law" Janice to the point, as ever.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/2a58f174-9902-11ed-91ab-4070465550ba?shareToken=51cc190e62095381b1443a5d3141eb0e

Using womans facilities when he is male is predatory behaviour.

It cannot be excused in any way.

It's a very tidy sign. I'm wondering if a, has to be quiet, terf, who has an angry child still at home helped them with their sign? 😁

I understand why people make a distinction between transvestites, transsexuals, and predatory men who will exploit the gender recognition act.

And yet it was the trans lobby who originally wanted the line to be blurred between transvestites and transsexuals.

This is from the submission to parliament by Press for Change (Christine Burns) in 2007.

Transgender is an umbrella term, coined in America, used to include people whose lifestyles appear to conflict with the gender norms of society. It includes many types of people and lifestyles. In the broadest use of the term, a transgender person crosses the conventional boundaries of gender; in clothing; in presenting themselves; even as far as having multiple surgical procedures to be fully bodily reassigned in their preferred gender role.

In this report we will normally use the term 'trans people' to describe those people who might be described as falling broadly within this context, as it has become the term of normal use since the coining of it by Press for Change for their 1996 mission statement: "Seeking respect and equality for ALL trans people"[2]. People who identify as transsexual are a small part of this spectrum and may or may not have had medical treatment to alter their physical appearance.

publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200607/cmpublic/criminal/memos/ucm39102.htm

The whole point of the terms 'trans' and 'transgender' is to blur the line between crossdressers/transvestites and transsexuals.

It is a fabulous article and I am glad to see lots of male names supporting it. We sadly know that until men stop this nonsense, it won't stop.

Yes. There's good reason to use cross dressers/transvestites/transsexuals instead of transwomen.

It's much more inclusive after all.

People who identify as transsexual are a small part of this spectrum

Are there any numbers? Anywhere?

By which I mean statistics.

Over in User Space there's a thread called Big Paragraphs. If you log it there, it helps MN see how many people are affected by the problem.

Thank you for the share token. Another excellent piece of writing.

‘Then there are the angry men who can’t even bear to hear women’s voices. No debate. Shut up, bitch. Sit down, bigot. We’ll ban your meeting, ignore your legal submissions.

Women have had years of this now. “Keep Mumsnet out of politics,” said a placard at a demonstration where Russell-Moyle shared a platform with the trans woman Sarah Jane Baker, who served 30 years in prison for kidnap and attempted murder. Boring old mums, pesky women seeing through the GRR’s outrageous misogyny and sophistry to say: this is our business.’

Damn right this is our business.

Sturgeon needs her head examining:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-64359950

The woman is unbelievable. We know Scotland has a huge problem with alcohol. As if we have any need to encourage children under 18 to be able to drink. And blethering on about 16 year olds being able to get married and join the armed forces as if that’s a good thing?

When I was at school you could leave at 16.

I think I was 16 buying my 1st lottery ticket.

I am sure it was 16 for.cigarettes too?

It was right that ages increased for these things.

It should be raised for marriage / armed forces too.

They just really seem to have lost all sense of reasoning with this issue. You have to question why as there is no need for any 16 year old to be changing their legal sex.

Thank goodness we have Janice Turner. i couldn't admire her more.

Great article. Another unfortunate side effect of the Scottish system will be that any crimes that are committed by those acquiring GRC (like those that have committed crimes already against women and are in women's prison) will be recorded as women's stats, so how do you potentially prove (if the stats increase) that the crimes are not committed by women against women, but rather men against women if they are not recorded as such? Can't believe that judge gave precedence to legal sex FFS, but then I find it hard to believe that people really can't see the issue that women have with this.

Can't believe that judge gave precedence to legal sex FFS, but then I find it hard to believe that people really can't see the issue that women have with this.

I think long term this one of the things that will turn the tide so even though its horrific to thank you can actually identify into our sex class, it does mean that a change needs to be made to hopefully the EA. (Something that sturgeon can do sweet f.a about).

I listened to the Rest Is Politics podcast this week and AC clearly holds women in such contempt. At one point he's talking about the Equalities ministry ("or maybe they've got rid of that now") and says "wasn't it meant to be that Badenoch woman?" (dealing with GRR legalities) in such a horrible sneering tone. I wonder if he's ever called any male minister "that Shapps man" or "that Dowden man" so dismissively?

It's around 22.20 into the podcast episode if anyone can bear to listen.

Just listened, thanks. Hadn’t realised how much I dislike AC. Complete arse.