OJ has a special message for us…

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Gave me a laugh over my coffee anyway 😆 does he remind anyone else of arguments with their little brother? ‘You’re going to lose. Why are you hitting yourself’ etc 😂

Interesting he has never ever once engaged with any of the thousands of points as to why gender ideology is indefensible at best and harmful at worst, it’s always just ‘You’re going to lose… tiny minority… section 28’

For the love of god, someone take the spade off him.

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For the love of god, someone take the spade off him.

Nooooo, don't.

I'm loving the train wreck that's unfolding 😳

😁

Yeah…where would the fun be in that

...and wrap it around his swede...?!!

With military precision, obviously.

😉

I'll just leave this here...

Linky for verisimilitude:

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Does he believe this shit? All this stuff about "it's like gay rights in the 1980s" - well, no, it isn't. One thing isn't necessarily like another thing however often you say it is. Invading Iraq is not like fighting Nazi Germany, for example, as we found to our cost.

And no one is demonising a minority. We're keeping men out of women's spaces. It would only be demonising a minority if you genuinely believed that trans women were a particular class of women, like lesbian women or Asian women, and surely no one actually believes that. Do they?

Apols for the poor presentation of my last. I'm still figuring out how the post format works!

Notice witch finder general Kennedy is in there agreeing with OJ and calling women Nazis. I pity any woman near Kennedy.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trans-goldsmiths-lecturer-natacha-kennedy-behind-smear-campaign-against-academics-f2zqbl222

extract

Ms Kennedy, who describes herself on Facebook as a “stroppy, bolshie transgirl with attitude who hates the Tories with a passion”, refused to comment. She represented Goldsmiths during trans awareness week in February.

It confirmed that she was an employee but would not explain which department she worked in or why she appeared to be listed twice in the staff directory: once as Mark Hellen, in the department of educational studies, and secondly as Natacha Kennedy, who is named in equality and diversity reports. Both profiles appear to be active.

It also remained unclear why an academic paper on Ms Kennedy’s specialist subject of transgenderism in children, published by the Graduate Journal of Social Sciences in 2010, cited two co-authors: Natacha Kennedy and Mark Hellen.

Neither Ms Kennedy nor Goldsmiths would clarify whether the paper was by two individuals or the same person.

I think we need to talk about ethics in academia.

Of course, Owen Jones has no idea what the Gay Rights campaign was like in the 80s because Owen Jones was in nappies at the time.

I think a lot of his nonsense stems from bitter regret that he wasn't old enough to wave his banner and shout with the best of them.
He missed it all: the Miner's strike, CND, Gay Rights, Section 28, Stonewall, the Criminal Justice Act, the Battle of the Beanfield, Swampy... what a time for a protesting activist to be alive!

Instead, he must make do with disparaging the campaigners that were there (who achieved far more than he has ever done) and fantasising about what a dashing young man he'd have been in their place.

I think you’re absolutely right. He has a Messiah complex and regrets that the current playing field is nowhere near as dramatic and iconic as it was back then. It really does feel like the only argument he has is to make vague comparisons between events 40 years ago and
now, along with the tired ‘these are your allies’.

He is not a stupid man, just so entrenched that he will not listen to any other opinion. His block list of dozens upon dozens of left wing women means he actively decides not to listen. In that regard he has become quite the fanatic himself.

Hmm, I think he is stupid, actually. He is incapable of logical thinking - what Helen Joyce refers to as mathematical thinking. When he says that only a small proportion of trans women are violent sex offenders, he thinks that's a reasonable point, whereas the crucial point is that allowing men to self-identify as women opens up the category of woman to any man who wants to claim it, and the men most likely to want to be in the category woman are, for obvious reasons, sexual predators. That seems like quite a simple, easy-to-understand point, but he doesn't grasp it - or perhaps doesn't want to grasp it. There is such a thing as wilful stupidity.

davidrobson.me/books/the-intelligence-trap/

'We assume that smarter people are less prone to error. But greater education and expertise can often amplify our mistakes while rendering us blind to our biases. This is the ‘intelligence trap’.'

It is the twitter trap, he has built up his following and cannot back down now..

"Does he believe this shit? All this stuff about "it's like gay rights in the 1980s" - well, no, it isn't"

This sums up the futility of argument by analogy, it is all a matter of opinion and any analogy can be countered with it is not like that.

I think that's definitely part of it.

A lots of the most vociferous TRAs are looking for a cause to champion. But they didn't clock the complexities of this one until they were in too deep.

That seems like quite a simple, easy-to-understand point, but he doesn't grasp it - or perhaps doesn't want to grasp it.

OJ reminds me of a young child who doesn't want it to be bed time, so he decides to believe that it isn't bed time. There you go, mum - fixed that bit of reality for you, to my own advantage.

Maybe this sort of behaviour literally happened in his childhood.

I imagine his mother frequently sometimes gave into his nonsense, hence his adult ingrained behaviour. I suspect he learned at a young age that dishonest beliefs bring visceral pleasure, and hey, you get to despise your mum (and women) for being weak at the same time too. Win win.

Stats from Canada showed that nearly 50% of the 'transwomen' in prison were there for sex crimes

So now people who are gender critical are the same as rascists who think that all migrants are criminals? Alrighty then Sterling work

The fault in OJ’s argument is not that the misdemeanours and crimes of particular individuals are being used to demonise certain minorities - that bit is true. You can look around a crowd at a pro-women meet and see some men and women who you know you’d never agree with in a million years on feminism, immigration, abortion etc… and the bollocks about ‘protecting women and children’ is the oldest trick in the Patriarchal handbook in the vein of ‘she’s my woman, only I am allowed to lay hands on her’. They come along and there’s nothing we can do to stop them coming along (although I personally went over to the guy with the ‘gaystapo’ placard in Glasgow and told him to get to fuck with his disgusting homophobia and I was one of many doing the same)

OJ’s problem is that he thinks that that precludes anyone standing up for anyones rights to ensure that good laws are put in place that look past ‘individual cases’ and just provide ‘robust’ frameworks that prevent harms from happening. I’ve examined my conscience and I’m clear OJ. I don’t think the Isla Bryson incident is bad because it’s an instance of a trans woman being a rapist and therefore all trans women are rapists. I look at it and think - policy and law has been proved to be woefully inadequate because it has allowed for that rapist to end up in a womens jail. Something has gone wrong. Badly wrong. The nuance of this seems to be totally lost on you OJ. And I wonder if you’re actually deliberately taking this angle to discredit all the women who are simply fighting for our rights for single sex exemptions and single sex spaces. And I wonder why that is.

There are lots of people trying to make political points out of real-life tragedies at the moment and it’s ugly but entirely predictable. That’s how our sound bite, gesture politics world works these days. But don’t you dare try and dismiss the concerns of gender critical women by intimating that our concerns are simply based on a petty distaste of a certain minority. It’s demeaning and misogynistic.

There's no way that men like Owen Jones don't understand the issue.

They've picked a side, and now they're fucked.

Either double down and look like a misogynistic bellend forever, or recant, and look like a lily livered hypocrite with no conviction, who should never be employed to opine about anything.

Fortunately for him misogynistic bellends are two a penny in media. It's not like he's having to stretch that far.

Absolutely 💯 agree with you.

Anyone who finds it acceptable for women let alone girls and young children to be exposed to naked Males whilst in changing rooms for example is seriously seriously disturbed.

Agree with every word!Also, I was at George Square too and many people were complaining about the Gaystapo sign! We were at the front so could only see the sign and not who was holding it but those around us were all disgusted!