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OJ has a special message for us…

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Cuppasoupmonster · 19/01/2023 13:14

twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1616008459958231040/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1616008459958231040&currentTweetUser=OwenJones84

Gave me a laugh over my coffee anyway 😆 does he remind anyone else of arguments with their little brother? ‘You’re going to lose. Why are you hitting yourself’ etc 😂

Interesting he has never ever once engaged with any of the thousands of points as to why gender ideology is indefensible at best and harmful at worst, it’s always just ‘You’re going to lose… tiny minority… section 28’

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Cuppasoupmonster · 06/02/2023 19:58

Haha brilliant! Beginning to think left wing men are just as sexist as the right wing ones. But then again all just men so 🤷🏼‍♀️

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Mollyollydolly · 06/02/2023 20:03

Gave me a good laugh.

teawamutu · 06/02/2023 20:03

Oh that was GLORIOUS. Cheered me up no end.

SidewaysOtter · 06/02/2023 20:07

And I thought the Graun didn’t have a sense of humour!

How is LOJ going to react to all the NaziFascistTerfs publicly denouncing him? Toddler-style meltdown and accusations of bullying in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1…

lanadelgrey · 06/02/2023 20:19

Is the whole debacle worthy of its own thread?

mirax · 06/02/2023 20:37

lanadelgrey · 06/02/2023 20:19

Is the whole debacle worthy of its own thread?

Yes! The guardian deserves it.

lanadelgrey · 06/02/2023 20:51

Go on. I am not on Twitter so can’t do the links

MassiveWordSalad · 06/02/2023 21:06

That's made me snort.

Someone in the twitter replies referred to OJ as a 'gender-addled grievance gerbil' and I feel bad for being childish, but 😂

BeBraveLittlePenguin · 06/02/2023 21:18

MassiveWordSalad · 06/02/2023 21:06

That's made me snort.

Someone in the twitter replies referred to OJ as a 'gender-addled grievance gerbil' and I feel bad for being childish, but 😂

That was exactly the one I was coming on to cite. Amongst so many worthy contenders, it just stands alone. Grin

DialSquare · 06/02/2023 21:21

MassiveWordSalad · 06/02/2023 21:06

That's made me snort.

Someone in the twitter replies referred to OJ as a 'gender-addled grievance gerbil' and I feel bad for being childish, but 😂

This one stood out for me too!

Boiledbeetle · 06/02/2023 21:27

Rubidium · 06/02/2023 19:46

Oh Guardian Guardian. You are exceeding yourselves.

“Women in the UK: share your experience of being subjected to online misogyny”

twitter.com/guardian/status/1622617742758092800

I wondered why Owen Jones was trending.

We even get our own mention in the replies

OJ has a special message for us…
beastlyslumber · 06/02/2023 21:31

Haha that's funny Grin

N0RKS · 06/02/2023 21:39

“gender-addled grievance gerbil” is utter UTTER genius

KatMcBundleFace · 06/02/2023 21:54

Oh Moley LOL

OJ has a special message for us…
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Cuppasoupmonster · 06/02/2023 21:55

MassiveWordSalad · 06/02/2023 21:06

That's made me snort.

Someone in the twitter replies referred to OJ as a 'gender-addled grievance gerbil' and I feel bad for being childish, but 😂

haha that’s brilliant!

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eurochick · 06/02/2023 21:57

That twitter thread is glorious.

Datun · 06/02/2023 22:43

Rubidium · 31/01/2023 20:49

So has Sam done anything in this video someone didn't do in the 80s?

Don’t think so. Here’s some prime time BBC1 from 1984 for comparison:

I’m sure I remember some berk like Juno Dawson state, with absolute conviction, that there was no gay culture in the eighties 🙄

Juno Dawson is apparently a heterosexual, with a heterosexual male partner. Presumably due to their trans status.

There's got to be a lot of dissonance going on for gay men who embrace the trans ideology due to perceived or internal homophobia, who end up immersed in an ideology that makes it all worse.

I wonder what they make of that video.

ArabellaScott · 06/02/2023 22:52

Given that Dawson said gay was 'a consolation prize'. Yes.

www.independent.co.uk/voices/juno-dawson-attitude-magazine-interview-transgender-gay-man-lgbt-trans-woman-a7752701.html

SinnerBoy · 06/02/2023 23:36

Rubidium · Today 19:46

“Women in the UK: share your experience of being subjected to online misogyny”

"Well, I accidentally read a few Owen Jones columns...

Rubidium · 07/02/2023 09:02

I see The Guardian are still deadnaming Dawson
www.theguardian.com/books/james-dawson

Ohnohedident · 07/02/2023 10:03

LizzieSiddal · 19/01/2023 20:40

Does anyone else think LOJ has been on the Colombian marching powder?

Well yeah, I kind of assumed it.

Ohnohedident · 07/02/2023 10:27

nauticant · 19/01/2023 23:21

With impeccable timing, on the second episode of Unsafe Space on Radio 4, currently being broadcast, Andrew Doyle interviewed Owen Jones and the interview illustrates many of the ciritcisms of this thread:

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001h4dk

The segment starts from about 9 minutes in. Well worth a listen.

He's a bully. He wont let Andrew talk (because he knows if the other argument is heard his game is up).

frazzled1 · 07/02/2023 10:30

www.theguardian.com/society/2023/feb/06/women-in-the-uk-share-your-experience-of-being-subjected-to-online-misogyny to share your experience of OJ's online misogyny.

DemiColon · 07/02/2023 10:36

Cuppasoupmonster · 06/02/2023 19:58

Haha brilliant! Beginning to think left wing men are just as sexist as the right wing ones. But then again all just men so 🤷🏼‍♀️

Left wing men can be very sexist, and lots of right wing men aren't at all. There's no correlation in my experience.

Ohnohedident · 07/02/2023 10:40

RoyalCorgi · 20/01/2023 08:54

What strikes me with OJ, as with Russell-Moyle, is that he really believes this stuff. All the things he says about us going down in the history books are things I think about the trans activists. The transing of children will one day be seen as a huge medical scandal, and the people who let it happen will be judged by history (assuming of course that future people have a better sense of perspective than the people currently living through this period).

Almost all of the people on our side, though, have to be calm and rational because we're women, and if we spoke like this about our opponents, we'd be described as "hysterical" and over-emotional. So people like Kathleen Stock, Helen Joyce and Selina Todd always speak very fluently but logically because they cannot risk appearing emotional even though they must feel really angry.

It is fascinating to me how someone like OJ, supposedly intelligent, supposedly progressive, cannot grasp the other side of the argument at all. Cannot see that women who have a lifetime of Labour and trade union activism, stuffing envelopes, knocking on doors, organising jumble sales, haven't suddenly become bigots - that they have genuine concerns that they are articulating. I suspect, as we have said so often here, that he simply doesn't see women as people, with their own autonomous thoughts, feelings and experiences, at all. He just sees them as people in the background while men get on with the important stuff.

I think Owen, along with other gay men who lack insight, instinctively feel and think that women are privileged.
Growing up gay, as well as facing homophobia, they have to face the fact most men they fancy wont fancy them back, and I think this can lead to bitterness against women.
So it does not take much for the LOJs and RLM to turn of women, however shaky the justification.

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