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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Rosie Duffield Support thread

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BlueBooh · 18/01/2023 10:29

I've searched everywhere for a thread about this amazing and brave MP, but couldn't find one.

Am I missing something? She supports the blocking of the new Scottish GR Bill and was cheered by her own MPs.

She seems an amazing and strong woman, wish she was my MP. I'm going to write and thank her.

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BlueBooh · 21/01/2023 09:28

Floisme · 21/01/2023 08:45

This would be a really good moment for all those 'undercover' gender critical Labour MPs we keep hearing about on other threads - about 30 if I remember correctly - to find their voice.

Absolutely! I think we may be waiting a few years yet though! :(

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MorvenOfMalvern · 21/01/2023 09:44

This has been shared on another thread but it's relevant here.

Apparently Rosie has got valid points, she just hasn't discussed them in the narrow preapproved ways LRM deigns suitable

Thelnebriati · 21/01/2023 11:26

JFC, can anyone create a transcript of that?

teawamutu · 21/01/2023 11:46

Thelnebriati · 21/01/2023 11:26

JFC, can anyone create a transcript of that?

YouTube does it automatically - go to the site/app, expand the description and you'll see the option.

AutumnCrow · 21/01/2023 12:22

I'd also like to express gratitude to Rosie Duffield for standing up to the appalling bullying from her own Labour colleagues. There is still a vicious misogyny in the Commons.

It's shame that the chair at the time, Deputy Speaker Dame Rosie Winterton iirc, didn't control the outrageously poor behaviour of LRM when it was actually happening right in front of her. What's the point of the Speaker if they don't chair the debates properly? Is this going to keep happening?

And the hypocrisy of Jess Phillips and Keir Starmer is very noticeable.

(Still never voting Tory though. Or Lib Dem or Green.)

ArabellaScott · 21/01/2023 13:10

'Ms Duffield insisted she was not the only Labour MP who believed men could not become women, but that the others dared not say so because they do not want to be treated like her.'

I appreciate how hard and scary it must be but if you're not capable of standing up on this issue then why are you in politics?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11660179/Rosie-Duffield-reveals-suffers-low-level-trauma-political-isolation.html

MrsOvertonsWindow · 21/01/2023 13:37

It's fascinating watching the rest of the country get to the place where women on here got to years ago.
Today's leading comment in the Telegraph is "Labour's woman problem"! The comments under countless articles in the press today are full of incandescent parents who've discovered that schools are transitioning children and gaslighting them with toxic trans ideology training. The comments about World Athletics abandoning science in favour of transwomen's demands are furious. The bullying of Rosie Duffield / Miriam Cates and other women by male MPs garner equally outraged comments.
There's a massive shift that's happening. I know those who pop up on here to deride the 6 woman and a dog who populate FWR, repeatedly tell us that nobody cares and it won't affect the vote. It looks as if they're wrong. In fact people do care about their children's child safety and wellbeing. They're appalled at politicians & activists who gaslight, fetishise sex offenders, coerce children into believing they're born in the wrong body and remove science and facts from society - especially when they bully to achieve their ends.

www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2023/01/21/labours-woman-problem/

AngryGoblin · 21/01/2023 14:49

Thanks Rosie, good article in The Times today

Floisme · 21/01/2023 15:46

'The thing that burns my fuel to the point of a flashing emergency light and a blaring alarm is the abuse and threat of violence that has become par for the course for political women....'
...writes Jess Phillips in an article about Jacinda Arden's resignation. Published today. So what has she had to say about her own colleague's behaviour towards Rosie Duffield? Anything at all?

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jan/20/women-guilt-abuse-disapproval-jacinda-ardern

teawamutu · 21/01/2023 17:23

Floisme · 21/01/2023 15:46

'The thing that burns my fuel to the point of a flashing emergency light and a blaring alarm is the abuse and threat of violence that has become par for the course for political women....'
...writes Jess Phillips in an article about Jacinda Arden's resignation. Published today. So what has she had to say about her own colleague's behaviour towards Rosie Duffield? Anything at all?

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jan/20/women-guilt-abuse-disapproval-jacinda-ardern

Going to guess, fuck all. Self-serving and ingenuous, that one.

SinnerBoy · 23/01/2023 17:39

Matthew Doyle and the distinct whiff of farmyard ordure.

fromorbit · 23/01/2023 17:43

Weird how Rosie sailed through Trigger ballot process last year if she had no local support in Canterbury.

www.kentonline.co.uk/kent/news/rosie-duffield-will-stand-again-after-surviving-ballot-271028/

For those sceptical of Labour MPs backing Rosie secretly she has repeatedly said this herself that she has backing of around 40 - 50 MPs in private. There are what I think 6 - 7 openly gender crit Labour MPs.

Also note she was elected head of the Women's section of the PLP after she openly started being gender critical. How did that happen if everyone in the party hates her? She has support, BUT people will not step up openly and Rosie has frequently lamented this. Possibly they may come out into the open if the situation warranted it, but anyway the fact the secret supporters exist is a key reason TRAs in the party have less influence than they want.

Obviously it sucks that only a handful of Lab MPs would openly support her position. However only 11 MPs defied Starmer to vote against the Order 35 motion. It is pretty clear that most Labour MPs are too scared to commit to either side openly. The massive fudge position is not just one Starmer likes, but the party in general.

As for Jess Phillips like her or loath her one thing is certain Rosie thinks Jess is ok as she said the other day.

"And just in case of any doubt, jessphillips is my friend. She is hilarious, kind and a big champion for women. She was as pissed off about the jeering, finger-jabbing men as I was. We may not agree 100% on every single aspect of women's rights but that is obviously totally ok!!"

twitter.com/RosieDuffield1/status/1616865871237976067

ResisterRex · 23/01/2023 22:02

The usual. They don't even try a new spin on it.

purplevipersgrass · 23/01/2023 22:55

Name change for this, just in case. I saw my MP the day after Rosie Duffield's article comparing being in the Labour Party to being in an abusive relationship. My Labour MP's someone I previously rated quite highly and he's sent out strong hints that he's GC on several occasions. That day he told me that things were changing quietly but steadily within the party and that women's concerns were being noted and acted on. Then he said how angry he was with Rosie Duffield for betraying the party and how difficult she was making things for the rest of them. He was really angry with her, not just mildly annoyed. I asked why, if the majority of Labour MPs were GC, they didn't say so and get it all over and done with so that women could vote Labour knowing it was safe to do so and he laughed and said politics doesn't work like that. I said I agreed with Rosie Duffield and I thought her point was one that an awful lot of female Labour voters could relate to. He ended the meeting immediately and sent me on my way in a very chilly fashion.

Until that point I'd just about clung to my intention to vote Labour but this has really thrown me. The misogyny is so clear. And this 'When we say TWAW and that we'll strengthen trans rights, it's all a load of bollocks and I assure you when we get into power we'll make sure women's rights are a top priority' is unacceptable. How can we believe anything anyone associated with Labour says?

Rosie Duffield, I don't know how you're surviving in this utterly poisonous atmosphere but I take my hat off to you. You're absolutely right: Labour is toxic when it comes to women.

purplevipersgrass · 23/01/2023 23:05

Oh, and yes, a friend who lives elsewhere in the UK had a CLP visitation from Jess Phillips. It was apparently all very fulsome and fabulous and Jess worked the room like the consummate pro she is and apparently there were more hints that women could relax and stop their protests because behind closed doors most Labour MPS were GC. My friend said she came home a bit pissed and full of hope, delighted to be reassured that with Labour she was in safe hands. The following day she woke up with the heart-sink feeling she'd been taken for a mug — and when she phoned someone else who'd been there too, to compare notes, they were also wondering what the game really was.

MorvenOfMalvern · 23/01/2023 23:08

Interesting that that's it. We've all waited for days for Keir to break his silence and his comment on what's gone in with his MPs - the behaviour during the debate, the attending the demo with SJB, the Twitter furore, the RD article, the Doyle leak....this is it. The statement and action everyone has waited for. "Oh please kids, just play nicely will you?"

Also interesting that they've somehow made Ben Bradshaw look worse than LRM by highlighting that LRM sort of apologised whereas Ben has not said a word, (and in fact massively out his efforts into doubling down on Twitter).

Also also interesting that this is The Guardian. Not much spin on it.

ArabellaScott · 23/01/2023 23:12

when we get into power we'll make sure women's rights are a top priority

Jam yesterday, jam tomorrow ...

ArabellaScott · 23/01/2023 23:14

“I’m very concerned that all of our discussions in the Labour party and in politics are discussions that we have with respect and with tolerance.

“And they’re the principles and the values that I want to see in our Labour party and that I insist on in our Labour party, whether it’s Rosie Duffield or anybody else.

“There will be differences of opinion, of course there will, but respect and tolerance are the values that we must have in all those debates.”

This is quite well crafted. In that he could be feasibly chastising Rosie or those who heckled her.

I think he's had it carefully written out for him.

ArabellaScott · 23/01/2023 23:14

In other words, more shitty Sex Fudge.

thisismynewface · 23/01/2023 23:18

Thanks Rosie, I'm not sure how long you can hold on for, but as my MP I'm so proud of you and thanks for representing me.

ResisterRex · 24/01/2023 06:19

In The Times:

JK Rowling accuses Labour of letting down trans row MP Rosie Duffield

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/cc84070a-9b5e-11ed-8201-2ed91f44d1e8?shareToken=75fc507b25fe2ad443269199cd12ad1e

TightFistedWozerk · 24/01/2023 08:10

Thank you Rex. Nasty bastard, briefing against Rosie.

Floisme · 24/01/2023 08:16

fromorbit · 23/01/2023 17:43

Weird how Rosie sailed through Trigger ballot process last year if she had no local support in Canterbury.

www.kentonline.co.uk/kent/news/rosie-duffield-will-stand-again-after-surviving-ballot-271028/

For those sceptical of Labour MPs backing Rosie secretly she has repeatedly said this herself that she has backing of around 40 - 50 MPs in private. There are what I think 6 - 7 openly gender crit Labour MPs.

Also note she was elected head of the Women's section of the PLP after she openly started being gender critical. How did that happen if everyone in the party hates her? She has support, BUT people will not step up openly and Rosie has frequently lamented this. Possibly they may come out into the open if the situation warranted it, but anyway the fact the secret supporters exist is a key reason TRAs in the party have less influence than they want.

Obviously it sucks that only a handful of Lab MPs would openly support her position. However only 11 MPs defied Starmer to vote against the Order 35 motion. It is pretty clear that most Labour MPs are too scared to commit to either side openly. The massive fudge position is not just one Starmer likes, but the party in general.

As for Jess Phillips like her or loath her one thing is certain Rosie thinks Jess is ok as she said the other day.

"And just in case of any doubt, jessphillips is my friend. She is hilarious, kind and a big champion for women. She was as pissed off about the jeering, finger-jabbing men as I was. We may not agree 100% on every single aspect of women's rights but that is obviously totally ok!!"

twitter.com/RosieDuffield1/status/1616865871237976067

I didn't want to lift half a sentence without context so I've quoted the whole post but the bit that made me go 'What the fucking fuck' is this:
'Possibly they may come out into the open if the situation warranted it,

Possibly?
may??
If???

Do they have any idea how this looks?
Any idea at all?