Complications from trans surgery!

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I know it's a daily mail article but I can't help thinking. We only ever hear positive stories but the figures tell us this. I really hope the men and woman are getting the support they need from these complications. 🥺

Half of trans surgery patients suffer pain, sexual issues years later mol.im/a/11629421 via dailym.ai/android

With reference to Scotland and the lowering of the age for GRC to 16, in law a convicted criminal UNDER the age of 25 cannot be given an adult prison sentence because "the brain, emotional maturity etc is not fully developed" 🤔

Your first paragraph makes me want to cry.

Oh. That’s interesting.

I meant to have it as a quote from a PP. It's Susie Green, former CEO of Mermaids.

Homophobia is what was at the bottom of that particular story.

And it's not just activists, it's also just normal people who are still in the "be kind" live and let live phase who don't realise they're only reading one side of this appalling story because it's so heavily censored and suppressed. Even on Mumsnet people demand that the discussion is squirrelled away on the feminism board, and not even on the main board - on a separate sex and gender board. It's not exactly at the bottom of a dark basement in a locked filing cabinet with a sign on that says "beware of the leopard" but it might as well be.

Any questioning, anything other than total affirmation and you are a disgusting transphobe, a Tory, funded by the Christian Right, etc. The post by @Janesy123 on this very thread is a perfect example.

Parents have been reported to social services by schools for not supporting their child's transition. There was an article by Hadley Freeman last weekend in the Sunday papers about it.

It’s just mad. So if you’re a childfree woman and can’t get sterilised because you might change your mind on children, just say you’re a transman! Then they’ll do it no probs.

And yet, many NHS trusts are all over it insisting on referring to pregnant people and chest feeding, so they must still be under the impression that a significant proportion of transmen (who cannot possibly live as women) will still want to become mothers (oops, 'birthing parents').

It would stop if the fucking grown ups stepped in and stopped allowing batshit gender identity ideology to be taught in schools as fact.

If all the 'affirmation only' crap stopped.

Children are being fed lies and given false promises.
Who actually thinks it's healthy to tell children they can change or choose their sex instead of actually finding out what is causing their dysphoria and dealing with that, especially when it's proven that the majority grow out of it when their bodies and brains mature.

Treating the symptoms and not the cause will only ever give temporary relief.

It's like giving anorexic's gastric surgery or liposuction to ease their mental distress.

Who actually thinks it's healthy to tell children they can change or choose their sex instead of actually finding out what is causing their dysphoria and dealing with that, especially when it's proven that the majority grow out of it when their bodies and brains mature.

The government, who are currently enshrining this in law. Terrifyingly Orwellian.

Something I've not seen being discussed yet is when these people get old. I've read a few accounts now of people working in homes for the elderly or people with early onset dementia and the likes.

Trans people wake up and freak out about their genitals or breasts being gone because they forgot they were trans. The nurses have to try and explain to these poor people they chose it and they aren't being held and experimented on by crazy people. (Though that's not far from reality)

It's not an innate condition. They weren't born with it if they can forget it.

For me this is proof the whole thing is snake oil and another stain on the medical profession and humanity as a whole. All these people deserve better. We should be doing better.

There's a Government petition up now that has shot past 100k needed for a debate asking that LGBT is no longer taught in relationship classes in schools. While I think it'll be good for there to be a debate, I think its pity it's been worded this way. It's gender ideology that I'd like to see scotched.

When anyone bothers to look into the backgrounds of teenagers referred to gender clinics, you find statistical improbabilities. Here's a point that doesn't get brought up on MN as much as it should. The disproportionate numbers of children in care who were being referred.

The researchers note the high rate of GIDS referrals from Looked after (LAC) and adopted children. They note that LACs make up 0.58% of the general population but 4.9% of GIDs referrals. Adopted children account for another 3.8% of referrals. The data, therefore, illustrates a significant over-representation of these groups in the GIDs patient population.

It is worth noting that children living with grandparents are counted in the category of children living with their biological family (YPBF). In my experience every child I know, who is living with grandparents, has some trauma in their background, often related to bereavement or alcohol/drug dependent parents. I would have preferred to see disaggregated data on this group of children. The children from disrupted family backgrounds are therefore under-estimated in the population defined by the researchers.

gendercriticalwoman.blog/2021/05/15/gender-dysphoria-looked-after-children-part-3-u-k-gids/

Reading through the thread has made me scared on many levels. As a parent of a 18 year old who is wanting to take T and wanting to consider surgery (top) it’s just something that confuses and worries me deeply. My dc won’t barely speak to me (they are away at uni) because I apparently don’t understand what they are going through and I don’t support them in the way they would like me too. My dc is on the autistic spectrum and emotionally very young, I worry they will start taking T, i am guessing there are places to get hold of it without going down the correct avenues?

I do have trans friends, one that has had full surgery, another who is considering it and several who are taking hormones (f to m) but they are much older than my dd, gone past the stage of wanting/having children so the risk is not so huge. I feel our teenagers are being brainwashed, given all these possible options and confusing them with gender stereotypes. I think it’s even more worry for teens/young people on the spectrum, being someone who’s on the spectrum myself I am sure I would have been very confused being told I could change sex when I was a child/teen.

The thought of young people having surgery that will change their bodies forever and cause other health issues worries me so much. My dc knows my worries but doesn’t seem to want to listen, if I mention my concerns I am just accused of ‘not understanding’.

@NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision there was a thread a few days ago, possibly two, on FWR sparked by a Julie Bindel article on the enormous number of children identifying as trans in Blackpool. Perhaps coincidentally, Blackpool also has the largest number of 'looked after' children.

Here's something else I find disturbing. If a child or teen says they hate their genitals and don't want to be the sex they are (body dissociation), what's the first thing you think?

Me, I think: sexual abuse.
Yet these days it gets scooped up as evidence of being trans.

Susie in her own words.

20 years ago, my life took on a wholly unexpected direction. I was sat watching television with my then four-year-old son. And he said he needed to tell me something. And I said, "Fine, yeah, what is it?" And he turned to me and he said, "Mommy, God's made a mistake, and I should've been a girl." I was terrified, but also, it explained so many things, so many things. But a bit like Monopoly, I jumped straight from fear straight into denial and told Jack that it was fine to be a boy and like girly things, but that didn't make him a girl, and he looked at me, and he dropped his eyes, and he didn't say anything else that day anyway. So what I want to do is walk you through the process that has filled the last 24 years of both my life and my child's life and hopefully explain our journey.

Well, Jack was my first child. I thought I knew what to expect, but really I started to notice that as soon as he got mobile and could express himself, he was gravitating towards things that you would see as stereotypically female. But I wasn't bothered. That didn't, you know, that didn't faze me at all. As far as I was concerned, children should be allowed to play with whatever they want, even if it doesn't fit this norm. And at the childminder's when I went back to work, Jack's favorite outfits were the tutu and Snow White costume. And again, that was fine. But not for Dad. So, Jackie's dad struggled, and he blamed me. His thoughts were that because I allowed the Polly Pocket and the My Little Pony, that I was facilitating and encouraging. And I disagreed. And it caused tensions. What I had come to the conclusion with, over the sort of years until she was about two, was that I had a very sensitive, quite effeminate little boy who was probably gay.

But Jack's dad did not approve of our child's effeminate behavior, and it created such tensions that we ended up in couple's counseling. We went to couple's counseling, and what they said to us as parents that we had to agree, no matter what it was that we agreed upon we had to agree. At that point, Tim decided that I must agree with him, apparently, and then all the "girl toys" or "girly toys" as such were taken away and put away, and Jack was made aware that this was not appropriate. And suddenly, a confident, happy little boy became quite quiet, withdrawn, very clingy, and tearful. I didn't like it, and I didn't think it was right. And really for me, the point at which I really put my foot down was about a few weeks later, I think, and my mom phoned me and said, "What's going on with Jack?" and I said "What do you mean?" She said, "Well, I phoned a couple of days ago to ask what Jack wanted for Christmas, and he took the phone out of the room, and he said, 'Can you buy me Barbie Rapunzel? but can you please hide it because if Mommy and Daddy find it, they're going to take it away'" And I realized that I was shaming my child and their toy choices, and the toy embargo stopped. But I went to my GP because I was lost, and I did not know what to do. And she raised her eyebrows, and she said, "Oh, that's interesting." Which wasn't really very helpful, because I was hoping for some direction. And then, she wasn't the first, and she certainly wouldn't be the last person to tell me that it was a phase - it's quite a long one, by now, wouldn't you say? - and that she would grow out of it. But she didn't. And what happened was she kept reiterating, "I'm a girl, I'm a girl, I'm really a girl."

Continues: www.ted.com/talks/susie_green_transgender_a_mother_s_story/transcript

This.

And this

I suppose activist posters think these children were all originally in care because their parents didn't want a trans child. <screams>

Not because of parents with substance misuse issues, or their main carer being in prison, or the presence of a sexually abusive adult or older sibling, or anything like that, oh no.

These are traumatised little humans, with fragile, developing brains, searching for a sense of belonging.

There are lots of children's homes in Blackpool. The Council has devised legislation to try to stop them. The kids are bussed in from all over the country. Then each little community of damaged children can become a little petrie dish for all sorts of social contagious. Then there's the problem of social workers who have a sideline in trans activism. It only takes one.

I would recommend you contact Bayswater Support www.bayswatersupport.org.uk/ for some specific advice.

It is very difficult to know how to approach it. The TRAs have made out adults who are concerned for our children to be bigots which puts wedges between us and them when it comes to supporting and advising them.

It is also very fashionable to be trans.

It's so hard. I hope you get the support you need for your daughter and she doesn't go down on the route of self harm.

Thank you.

I am an autistic woman. When I was a teenager I seriously thought I was trans. And not that it needs justifying, but I was (and am!) far more "masculine" than many others who have been transitioned.
In the end I never socially transitioned but I almost did start university with a new identity. Thankfully I didn't have any real adults in my life pushing me in this direction (this was all from stuff online). I think if I'd been "brave" enough to socially transition on starting university I would now be detransitioned or dreadfully unhappy.

Luckily the intensity of this interest in gender/trans faded off after a couple of years and there was a gradual slow shift towards a more healthy experimentation with gender expression while no longer denying my female sex.

I've now gone the other way and consider myself a gender critical radfem. What can I say, autistic people love rules and labels, and I was clearly never going to be the feminine woman patriachy wanted me to be.

These are traumatised little humans, with fragile, developing brains, searching for a sense of belonging.

❤

I've now gone the other way and consider myself a gender critical radfem. What can I say, autistic people love rules and labels, and I was clearly never going to be the feminine woman patriachy wanted me to be.

💪Good on ya!

@EthelredtheUnhappy

Luckily the intensity of this interest in gender/trans faded off after a couple of years and there was a gradual slow shift towards a more healthy experimentation with gender expression while no longer denying my female sex.

Thank goodness

This is the thing I can't forgive adults for. There is nothing wrong with women and girls, being, doing, wearing or acting as they wish. The fact that some adults are saying that if girls don't subscribe to a stereotypical version of femininity they must not really be girls is absolutely abhorrent.

Obviously the same goes for boys who like stereotypically feminine things.

Daily I see posts in parental support groups for autistic children where parents are congratulating each other in being so inclusive by accepting that their little girl has really alway been a boy (or vice versa). Anyone who says anything against this is removed from the group for hate. How can we change this environment? Because we know that using preferred pronouns is not benign. We know that for some children this will lead to irreparable harm as soon as they are legally adults (16 in Scotland if Sturgeon gets her way) and for some, their parents will take them abroad whilst applauding themselves for being so 'forward thinking'.